Phantom Philleter - FFXIV GAME DESIGN PROBLEMS

[CCheshire]

Then there's me thinking I hope they add more fun small rewards from casual content, esp if its just like a glowy rainbow knife that only a few other CUL will care about it too.

So I'm open to trying each content once, but there are rewards I'll never get on the current patch, like raid glams or mounts, but it's how MMOs are designed to encourage ppl to try them and then decide if it's worth the time and energy or not.

[hydralus]

This game, as basic as it is, is one of the only MMOs that enables and encourages EASILY doing ALL it has to offer one one character. The fact that you're even using the term "crafter main" about this game in 2026 is already something that no one can relate to. What you're saying is so absurd I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt by saying you're a troll.

I have a crafter main, though? I have 4 alts since I like to RP and like playing as different races/genders. That said I also don't care, they could put some glowy crafting item in chaotic/ultimate for all I care. There's no rule neither in the game nor in general gaming design that states battle content and crafting rewards or vice versa should be segregated.

Also haven't there already been complaints about crafting being involved in obtaining the battle relics?

[FateHollow]

So your real complaint is that crafter relics don't get shiny off-hands. That's fair.



Totally relevant to this complaint--THIS complaint is about doing unrelated content for a glam. You can obtain crafting glams in tons of places in the game too.

Anyhow...they could have simply not given it to us at all. It was a prop made for the cutscenes, and it was related to Occult Crescent so while that's not crafting content at all, it would be beyond strange to give us a copy of an Occult Crescent NPC's shiny tonberry knife without having any context for it. It was just gravy that they decided to let us have it as a glam. It would be nice if they had more shiny crafting off-hands, though.

Not relevant because combat weapons and fun weapons glamours exist everywhere already in all sorts of content but NOT these crafting offhands. If they existed elsewhere no problems - IF GOLD SAUCER FOR INSTANCE HAD THEM.. NO PROBLEM; as it is THEY DON'T. So its a false equivalency. Thank you.

[FateHollow]

There's plenty of glamours that are only obtainable if someone or yourself crafts them, plenty of housing items locked behind expert recipes, hell even CE had a ton of glamours locked behind it. Hell every major patch crafters make MILLIONS off of battle content players because they can craft the new Pentameldable gear. Like?

You are aware this knife has 0 stats, don't you? Like, it's not even comparable to a relic, it's just a glamour item. You keep saying you are "Forced" to do OC, you're not, you're just throwing a tantrum because there's something you want and it's behind content you don't want to do. That's on you. I do all kinds of content, savage, crafting, battle content, overworld content like fishing and fate farming, if you ONLY dabble into one side of the game and then throw a fit when the game which is designed around all flavors of content, doesn't bend backwards to give you what you want, then yes, I do think you're entitled.

The solution is simple: Either you suck it up, do the content or you don't and don't get the knife.

I know I'm being harsh but this is genuinely such a non issue. You're actively choosing to not engage with a major part of the game then complaining there's something behind it that you want.

You are aware that this is actually a relic; it having stats or not doesn't matter when the expansion is over new tools/weaps will be out and they'll just be glamours right? Its the first offhand relic of its kind and you're comparing items that are in the thousands while NONE of this shiny relic knife has EVER EXISTED in the 15+ years the game has existed right? Players have wanted their offhands as relics or shiny for a long time but since forever we have only gotten HALF a relic for our crafting classes. Saying crafters make all these glams and gear for people is part of the game and those items are sellable non-bind on pickup non-crafter offhand items. Know what isnt part of the game? MORE OFF HAND SHINY GLAMOURS. Enjoyed reading your comment btw. Its hilarious you believe your luke warm take to be "harsh" when it's apparent you can't understand crafters should have their shiny offhands and relics like everyone else. Instead you attempt to talk down, belittle and cry entitlement over items that belong to crafters and should be obtained through CRAFTING ACHIEVEMENT. Thank you.

[FateHollow]

Twice now you threaten me with a good time...

I hear ya Veya. If only the devs had an imagination and used it to supply the shiny offhands for all crafters and weapons for all classes all over the place. Reminds me of a rare fish in Stb where you can get a Cane of the Round from Thordan for desynthing the fish. There were some other swimsuit glamours in that expansion that could be fished up as well. Those were the day.

[FateHollow]

Then there's me thinking I hope they add more fun small rewards from casual content, esp if its just like a glowy rainbow knife that only a few other CUL will care about it too.

So I'm open to trying each content once, but there are rewards I'll never get on the current patch, like raid glams or mounts, but it's how MMOs are designed to encourage ppl to try them and then decide if it's worth the time and energy or not.

If only it were possible to obtain shiny battle relics or good EX shinies through crafting achievements/quest lines only. Then you'd see many players care and cry foul that they shouldn't have to craft to get their new Summoner relic book. /eyeroll

[Len_]

If only it were possible to obtain shiny battle relics or good EX shinies through crafting achievements/quest lines only. Then you'd see many players care and cry foul that they shouldn't have to craft to get their new Summoner relic book. /eyeroll

It isn't a relic. It's a useless glam item.

[FateHollow]

It isn't a relic. It's a useless glam item.

Pedantic. Go google a picture of it and you can easily determine the glow is relic tier in quality. It is a relic and what use is a relic outside its current expansion? The stats? Moot. The only reason to use relics at that point is for glamour purposes and this glamour is relic quality. Actually hold that thought according to SE's own game files and wiki's + the item color being purple we can see the actual RARITY LISTED IS: RELIC. LOL.

[Len_]

Personally I think if Kettle Knuckles Lodestar was the reward for finishing the Crystarium questline people would have been delighted.

[Kozh]

I'm sorry bro. Do you like having to do crafting content to obtain your Dark knight relics/glamours? Does that sound like a good time? You wanna sit there macro crafting 1000 times to get a greatsword shiny?

I mean, sure why not? The grind is the same to me anyway, and I like it when they break the monotony of spamming dungeon roulette or doing 1000 FATEs.

Looking at how boring and grindy CE is, I am baffled as to why you whined about this super optional reward, when OC relic is arguably less tedious than CE. If you can survive CE, you can definitely do OC no problem.