Phantom Philleter - FFXIV GAME DESIGN PROBLEMS

[FateHollow]

I don't think the word "forcing" means what you think it means

It is the only glamour of its type and only available through doing battle content. Since it is the ONLY glamour of its type and the devs refuse to put it elsewhere it kinda is like "forcing," because it doesnt exist outside doing battle content and there isnt any other choice or way to obtain it through normal crafting means ( which should be the way it is obtained.)

[FateHollow]

You're just entitled.

Sure thing bud. Once again let's imagine amazing combat relics/glamours can only be obtained through crafting achievements. Thats the comparison you fail to grasp but I'm the entitled one.

[FateHollow]

I mean, I agree with reward structure, and it is insane to me that a large-scale zone does not award EXP, whereas a deep dungeons do (Especially in an MMO)

But setting that aside, no crafter mains are being forced to do this content, and I say this as a crafter main. It's provides no measurable benefit whatsoever whether I do, or do not have the tool.

Appreciate you bro. We're not forced to do it, No but if you want the ONLY offhand glamour of its type then you are highly incentivized to do it no? The devs are basically forcing your hand to do the content to obtain a relic quality glamour for our offhands. The biggest issue here is that it is the FIRST glamour of its type and it's not included with crafting content but with combat and a long exhausting list of objectives to complete that ARENT CRAFTING OBJECTIVES. If the glamour was available through crafting means or if there were more than ONE type in the game it wouldnt be an issue but since it's the ONLY glamour to exist then it's essentially FORCED; as there as no other ways to obtain a shiny offhand for crafters.

[Kozh]

Wait, this isn't ragebait?

[FateHollow]

Wait, this isn't ragebait?

I'm sorry bro. Do you like having to do crafting content to obtain your Dark knight relics/glamours? Does that sound like a good time? You wanna sit there macro crafting 1000 times to get a greatsword shiny?

[Astronis]

It is the only glamour of its type and only available through doing battle content. Since it is the ONLY glamour of its type and the devs refuse to put it elsewhere it kinda is like "forcing," because it doesnt exist outside doing battle content and there isnt any other choice or way to obtain it through normal crafting means ( which should be the way it is obtained.)

It's the second item of its type. The other is the Tonberry Knife that was available during some event or another in the past and can now only be purchased in the store.

Anyhow...well...I'd fish or gather up a cool DRK glam if there were one hidden somewhere in Cosmic Exploration, for instance, so I suppose I'm not quite seeing the issue. There are several combat weapon glams that can only be obtained by playing in the Gold Saucer, that's somewhat similar. There's a fancy BLU weapon glam that can only be obtained through content BLU can't engage in. That irritated some BLU players. So it's not totally unprecedented to put glams in odd places.

[FateHollow]

It's the second item of its type. The other is the Tonberry Knife that was available during some event or another in the past and can now only be purchased in the store.

Anyhow...well...I'd fish or gather up a cool DRK glam if there were one hidden somewhere in Cosmic Exploration, for instance, so I suppose I'm not quite seeing the issue. There are several combat weapon glams that can only be obtained by playing in the Gold Saucer, that's somewhat similar. There's a fancy BLU weapon glam that can only be obtained through content BLU can't engage in. That irritated some BLU players. So it's not totally unprecedented to put glams in odd places.

The tonberry knife isnt a shiny and yes in my original post I mentioned you can purchase it off the mogslop. The major point being its a shiny offhand thats equivalent to a relic glow of its type to exist.. not just another plain knife glamour. The shininess is something crafters have wanted for a long time with their offhands. Hell, we should just have the relic equivalent offhand given to us each time while we only get half the relics for our classes. It's a design problem with the game that requires players to do something else to achieve it while your points about the Gold saucer are unimportant as you can obtain battle glamours from many parts of the game. There are thousands of those and this knife is the only shiny to exist of its type. THOUSANDS vs ONE GLAM is not equivalent. But yes I agree if they had battle glams available through fishing and other means it would totally be awesome and make sense; unfortunately they dont so it makes no sense.

[Ankhira]

Sure thing bud. Once again let's imagine amazing combat relics/glamours can only be obtained through crafting achievements. Thats the comparison you fail to grasp but I'm the entitled one.

There's plenty of glamours that are only obtainable if someone or yourself crafts them, plenty of housing items locked behind expert recipes, hell even CE had a ton of glamours locked behind it. Hell every major patch crafters make MILLIONS off of battle content players because they can craft the new Pentameldable gear. Like?

You are aware this knife has 0 stats, don't you? Like, it's not even comparable to a relic, it's just a glamour item. You keep saying you are "Forced" to do OC, you're not, you're just throwing a tantrum because there's something you want and it's behind content you don't want to do. That's on you. I do all kinds of content, savage, crafting, battle content, overworld content like fishing and fate farming, if you ONLY dabble into one side of the game and then throw a fit when the game which is designed around all flavors of content, doesn't bend backwards to give you what you want, then yes, I do think you're entitled.

The solution is simple: Either you suck it up, do the content or you don't and don't get the knife.

I know I'm being harsh but this is genuinely such a non issue. You're actively choosing to not engage with a major part of the game then complaining there's something behind it that you want.

[VeyaAkemi]

Do you like having to do crafting content to obtain your Dark knight relics/glamours? Does that sound like a good time?

Twice now you threaten me with a good time...

[Astronis]

The shininess is something crafters have wanted for a long time with their offhands. Hell, we should just have the relic equivalent offhand given to us each time while we only get half the relics for our classes.

So your real complaint is that crafter relics don't get shiny off-hands. That's fair.

while your points about the Gold saucer are unimportant as you can obtain battle glamours from many parts of the game.

Totally relevant to this complaint--THIS complaint is about doing unrelated content for a glam. You can obtain crafting glams in tons of places in the game too.

Anyhow...they could have simply not given it to us at all. It was a prop made for the cutscenes, and it was related to Occult Crescent so while that's not crafting content at all, it would be beyond strange to give us a copy of an Occult Crescent NPC's shiny tonberry knife without having any context for it. It was just gravy that they decided to let us have it as a glam. It would be nice if they had more shiny crafting off-hands, though.