MT/OT solution

[Jeeqbit]

The weirdest part of this whole thing is that their slide said something about OT specialisation being protecting the party. But it looked like PLD is keeping pretty much all their mitigation tools.

Indeed. OTs specialize in reducing damage, yet our MT has:

• Passage of Arms
• Reprisal
• Divine Veil

In order to compete, our OTs would need like double that and then they'd be able to essentially 90% mit a single cast on their own to allow the party to ignore a mechanic.

Whole thing is just marketing and perhaps better marketing terms should have been selected such as:

• Endurors (instead of MTs)
• Protectors (instead of OTs)

Just so that it doesn't stomp on our established terms of MT and OT when we're likely not going to stop MTing/OTing on all the tanks.

[Canadane]

OT? You mean ST, right?

[NamiRocket]

OT? You mean ST, right?

Same thing, but you already know that.

[Rithy255]

Indeed. OTs specialize in reducing damage, yet our MT has:

• Passage of Arms
• Reprisal
• Divine Veil

In order to compete, our OTs would need like double that and then they'd be able to essentially 90% mit a single cast on their own to allow the party to ignore a mechanic.

Whole thing is just marketing and perhaps better marketing terms should have been selected such as:

• Endurors (instead of MTs)
• Protectors (instead of OTs)

Just so that it doesn't stomp on our established terms of MT and OT when we're likely not going to stop MTing/OTing on all the tanks.

Note that veil is now a 120s cooldown.

Personally I'd like veil to be a 90s cooldown and lose reprisal that should be a OT feature if offtanks are about reducing boss damage. I think OT'S should get access to a boss debuff that can't stack with other OT'S (similar to phys ranged buffs even if they have different names) but lasts indefinitely if they are serious about making comps MT/OT, Though I'd also be open to a less strict system I just don't know what their intentions are to me.

DRK/WAR/GNB players should be less worried about being irreverent as if anything double OT is likely to be the more viable then double MT as party mitigation is way more important then self mitigation as long as you can Survive the hits. I personally think PLD is going to be a terrible job in evercold mainly because bastion is going to likely be a very similar job but because its the new job devs tend to favour those (look at how good pictomancer was), It's hard to see PLD compete when its main niches are being likely replaced as having the most group utility is likely not true anymore as OT's theoretically are getting more or ones on way shorter CDS. While Bastion will likely do more damage and outright have a lot of its niche recovery skills too.

I think what happened is the devs heard everyone thought tanks felt the same, but their solution was to put them in different categories rather then to make each tank feel different which is a shame. Even if reborn mode is a thing no one is going to play that if its strictly a worse mode.

Also to note:
Its kinda sad as someone who choose PLD to be a protector that OT's are going to be more "protectors" I personally dont think anyone is winning by making these roles follow a strict fomular

I can't be the only "off tank" main who isn't too unhappy about the split. (WAR is my happy place.)

Mostly because I preferred to be OT in harder 8 man content anyway. I'm glad to let someone else be main character, and swap when necessary, or pass my mit along to them.

As someone who likes to flex and play both OT and MT on PLD i'm VERY unhappy that im forced to be MT or play some other tank, I even started out as mostly a OT due to PLD In shb being a designated OT. So Its even been more comfortable for me even if I like being able to learn MT and how to flex between both.