So, when is VPR getting nerfs? (Frontline)

[TofuLove]

Very interesting report from Dank in another section of this forum:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ted-improperly.

I must admit I always thought that damage reduction and damage dealt % are multiplicative... But it appears they are additive for job modifiers.
I think this is relevant to the discussion of why high damage reduction modifier feels oppressive.

[Valence]

Classic CBU3

[MisterNublet]

Very interesting report from Dank in another section of this forum:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ted-improperly.

I must admit I always thought that damage reduction and damage dealt % are multiplicative... But it appears they are additive for job modifiers.
I think this is relevant to the discussion of why high damage reduction modifier feels oppressive.

It doesn't matter that it's additive instead of multiplicative.

Changing it to multiplicative would just mean they'll adjust the numbers to get the same results as where we are now.

[Teno]

The VPR thing is a compounding effect. Massive aoes mean you rack up dmg/kills and bh fast, the melee multipliers help scales massively on top. More than anything the cd reset is broken in fl where you consequently chain kills and build lb faster, so you can just snowball. Even more so with bravery and pocket support..

It's clearly tuned for CC but somehow they let it slip in FL.

I think I see who the screenshot is. But remove bravery, the pocket healers and what not and suddenly they very much fall in line quick.

[Zakuyia]

the only way i could counter a viper is mch - team. Use the machinist if they have chains chain them down drop the turret on them then use bravery and go to town on them also recommend a healer to debuff their healing.

[Valence]

If you want to counter a VPR easily, use the jobs that hard counter it: RPR, MNK or better, DNC. But ofc you need a team that's not completely asleep.
Still, remove them out of their scales in the middle of your team and deny their backlash and they're dead in the water. It's no different than in CC with those jobs in particular, difference being that VPR is countered by literally everything in CC.

[TofuLove]

And that's all i am after. 5/10% nerfs. Any more than that would be weird.
Glad we agree.

p.s. nerf bravery

I feel seen.

No bravery nerf though...

[Hazelx3]

RPR, MNK, or DNC should have a normal skill that can counter VPR, so they wouldn't have to waste their LB for it

[Scintilla]

RPR, MNK, or DNC should have a normal skill that can counter VPR, so they wouldn't have to waste their LB for it

'Waste their LB'? If VPR is such a key and dominating player as you suggest, it's hardly a waste? Not that those LBs are the only counter, of course, but they're the most straightforward and fool-proof ones.

No bravery nerf though...

Unfortunate that it can still be used to buff others, but no matter. Continue as we have been

[Hazelx3]

'Waste their LB'? If VPR is such a key and dominating player as you suggest, it's hardly a waste? Not that those LBs are the only counter, of course, but they're the most straightforward and fool-proof ones.



Unfortunate that it can still be used to buff others, but no matter. Continue as we have been

I meant, they could keep their LB but giving them another skill that can counter VPR with ease, so they won't have to use their LB for it.
One example if a match starts, VPR goes into scales and a Monk has a skill that can instantly counter the scales without waiting for his LB