UNDERCUTTING....

[Orophin]

I find the whole undercutting by 1 gil rather insulting. At least man up and undercut it by 10%. :P (percentage may vary based on asking price)

[Matsume]

I highly suggest all of you anti-undecutter people read this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartel

you do realize cartels exist IRL right???

guess what happens when you try to undercut the cartel?

the mafia kills you IRL, no respawn.

[Wolfie]

you do realize cartels exist IRL right???

Yes.

You do realize that I linked it because it says right in the article that they're unsustainable and usually harmful to the economy, right? No, of course you don't, because you didn't read the article. You just looked at the title and commented out of ignorance.

[Wolfie]

guess what happens when you try to undercut the cartel?

the mafia kills you IRL, no respawn.

Since you edited...

The axiom you draw out of this, is, that the cartels are completely unsustainable in FFXIV because there is no penalty for me undercutting you. There is no FFXIV mafia that kills me or my retainer or somehow prevents me from busting your price fixing schemes.

[SirOleas]

Alright. I'm back from undercutting mythril ore by 1 gil. I should see profits sooner than everyone else so long as I don't get undercut. Of course at that point I would just wait for the cheapest guy to get bought out because....It's not that big of a deal. I'll just go mine more mythril to fill my retainer with once my current batch sales.

Logic. Oh wait...

[Matsume]

Yes.

You do realize that I linked it because it says right in the article that they're unsustainable and usually harmful to the economy, right? No, of course you don't, because you didn't read the article. You just looked at the title and commented out of ignorance.

There are uncountable unsustainable and harmful agents to the economy, that doesn't stop them from existing.

Matter of fact you are the ignorant being who wrongfully claims that the anti-undercutters in this thread are attempting to form a cartel. you are the first person to throw the word around like a ragdoll so as to enforce your sense of justice. what's really happening is a bunch of ppl QQ because they are getting undercut, and are asking for the love of the twelve why the undercutters don't just chill out, to which you reply OMG CARTEL

Since you edited...

The axiom you draw out of this, is, that the cartels are completely unsustainable in FFXIV because there is no penalty for me undercutting you. There is no FFXIV mafia that kills me or my retainer or somehow prevents me from busting your price fixing schemes.

where did i draw the conclusion that FFXIV cartels are completely unsustainable? actually, i believe the RMT markets are completely sustainable and have in a sure fire manner monopolized certain items. thanks for confirming to me that there is no mafia in FFXIV, i did not already know this. oh if you don't mind quoting where i attempt to set up a price fixing scheme, that would be nice.

thanks for putting words in my mouth you useless brony.

[Darkillumina]

i personaly love the expert opiions coming in of people who dont craft or gather who think they know whats going on

Apparently in their world we just fire out finished products whenever we want with impunity. If it worked like that I would be a lot closer to my luminary hammer.
I explained how the darksteel stuff works a few pages back and nobody commented on it. More than likely because its correct.

Wolfie I will say this because I don't feel like deconstructing your pretentious posts. You're not Gordan Gekko, your're not putting people out of business because they are not quitting the game because you undercut them. They are simply taking their product saving it for later or using it for something else.

P.S. Wolfie's game revolves around trying to build intellectually sounding arguments while putting down the validity of others ideas in a passive-aggressive way. Don't fall for the troll folks. Good show though, you put a lot of effort into your rants.

[Matsume]

Apparently in their world we just fire out finished products whenever we want with impunity. If it worked like that I would be a lot closer to my luminary hammer.
I explained how the darksteel stuff works a few pages back and nobody commented on it. More than likely because its correct.

Wolfie I will say this because I don't feel like deconstructing your pretentious posts. You're not Gordan Gekko, your're not putting people out of business because they are not quitting the game because you undercut them. They are simply taking their product saving it for later or using it for something else.

P.S. Wolfie's game revolves around trying to build intellectually sounding arguments while putting down the validity of others ideas in a passive-aggressive way. Don't fall for the troll folks. Good show though, you put a lot of effort into your rants.

You forgot blatant lies, and putting words in other peoples mouth.

[Wolfie]

There are uncountable unsustainable and harmful agents to the economy, that doesn't stop them from existing.

That is exactly what I said and why I linked that article. But it flew way over your head.

Matter of fact you are the ignorant being who wrongfully claims that the anti-undercutters in this thread are attempting to form a cartel. you are the first person to throw the word around like a ragdoll so as to enforce your sense of justice. what's really happening is a bunch of ppl QQ because they are getting undercut, and are asking for the love of the twelve why the undercutters don't just chill out, to which you reply OMG CARTEL

I don't think you still understand what a cartel is. When you have a bunch of people chiming in and saying that an item should be X price, and that people shouldn't undercut it, and blah blah, that's price fixing done by a group of producers. Also known as a cartel, or at least an attempted cartel.

And fyi, I wasn't the first one to bring up that word in this thread.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post682596

where did i draw the conclusion that FFXIV cartels are completely unsustainable? actually, i believe the RMT markets are completely sustainable and have in a sure fire manner monopolized certain items. thanks for confirming to me that there is no mafia in FFXIV, i did not already know this. oh if you don't mind quoting where i attempt to set up a price fixing scheme, that would be nice.

thanks for putting words in my mouth you useless brony.

Then why did you bring up the mafia in your attempt to argue against me? What possible point could you have been trying to make with that? Can you elaborate?

Wolfie I will say this because I don't feel like deconstructing your pretentious posts. You're not Gordan Gekko, your're not putting people out of business because they are not quitting the game because you undercut them. They are simply taking their product saving it for later or using it for something else.

I bolded the completely ironic part in your argument there. I don't need them to quit the whole game to drive them out of business. When their item is no longer being sold on the market or they repurpose it, then I have effectively ran them out of business. They're not my competition anymore. If I decide to pull out of the market (i.e. stop selling my wares) and they come back, then whatever. That's how free markets work.

P.S. Wolfie's game revolves around trying to build intellectually sounding arguments while putting down the validity of others ideas in a passive-aggressive way. Don't fall for the troll folks. Good show though, you put a lot of effort into your rants.

It's funny when people call me a troll with "intellectually sounding" arguments, because I'm direct, blunt, and not ashamed of calling people out on bulls**t. I guess Googling results, fully reading through topics, and posting articles that support my claims makes me a passive-aggressive troll that only sounds intellectual.

Hey, may I direct you to another Wikipedia article? It's called the ad hominem attack.

[Krausus]

to much bickering and not enough cutting in this thread