Will Bot's ever be punished?

[Madruk]

No other game needs such a massive FBI (special task force), because no other game had such retarded designs built in specifically to waste your time. All asian mmo's share this fundamental flaw. They're only just now starting to learn that there are other ways to mask it.

[Preypacer]

No one care about having a good reason or not, or about what is acceptable or not. DEVs feed you with stupid and repetitive things (hurr durr press enter to win!), players circumvent that. It's not hard to understand. I'm not defending cheaters here but rather pointing out that the issue is coming from the design itself rather than the players.

Fix the design => cheaters are gone.
Keep complaining about how bad cheating is, how unacceptable it is etc. => cheaters don't care.

It's not nearly that cut-and-dry.

Not all cheating is because "people don't want to do repetitive things". It's one reason of many.

In general, people cheat for things like competitiveness, convenience and laziness, among others.

People have been RMT'ing in Lineage 2 for years at the high end. These people have already gotten to level cap (botted) and have all the best gear (RMT'd) so they can beat others (who also botted and RMT'd). People buy gold and such in MMOs so they can just get the item they want without having to earn it.

People used speed-hacks in FFXI and in other games to get around faster than they should have been able to. People use radar hacks in games like Darkfall to locate other players they would otherwise not be able to see (behind walls, etc). People have been cheating in FPS games using aim-bots and the like in order to get an edge over other players. People have used hacks and cheats in RTS type games.

In other words, there are people who will cheat in video games, whatever the genre, what ever the play style.

People cheat because they want the pay-off without the effort or time required to obtain it. They want the victory without having to actually legitimately earn it.

[Preypacer]

No other game needs such a massive FBI (special task force), because no other game had such retarded designs built in specifically to waste your time. All asian mmo's share this fundamental flaw. They're only just now starting to learn that there are other ways to mask it.

You're arguing from ignorance. Your ill-informed and equally ignorant stereotype of "Asian MMOs" only makes it worse.

Blizzard has fought RMT in WoW, to the degree of suing the developers of a botting program, as I recall. They are most decidedly not "an Asian MMO". LoTRO and DDO have RMT; Turbine is a US-based company. Rift Online has RMT, and Trion is based in California. The Old Republic has RMT, not an Asian MMO. Age of Conan has RMT; not an Asian MMO. Vanguard, a Western MMO, has RMT. DC Universe Online has RMT, not an Asian MMO. Everquest 1 and 2 both have RMT, not Asian MMOs...

Need I continue, or has the ignorance of your remarks been sufficiently illuminated?

Every single MMO out there with anything resembling a population has RMT - regardless of what style it is, who developed it, or where they're located - because every MMO out there has people playing it who would rather buy and cheat their way through the game than actually play it. The excuses they come up with, almost always blaming the game's design, is nothing but an attempt to justify their behavior to themselves. In their heart of hearts, I don't think even they believe their own BS most times.

If a game has activities you find repetitious and unenjoyable, it's a reason to not do those activities. If the game doesn't offer enough else that you enjoy, then it's a reason to decide maybe it's not the game for you and you'd find better entertainment for your money elsewhere. It's not a reason nor justification for cheating, RMT'ing, hacking, exploiting, etc. Ever. Those EULA's and ToS's you agree to when you log into a game aren't there because developers like paying Lawyers to draft up lengthy documents for them.

[TheVedis]

No other game needs such a massive FBI (special task force), because no other game had such retarded designs built in specifically to waste your time. All asian mmo's share this fundamental flaw. They're only just now starting to learn that there are other ways to mask it.

you do realize almost every other game which combats rmt in some way has this too

SE is the only company who is up front about giving this force a public name

[Preypacer]

you do realize almost every other game which combats rmt in some way has this too

SE is the only company who is up front about giving this force a public name

Actually, I would say taht in my experience very, very, very few MMOs have what SE developed. Many MMOs relegate RMT control to their GMs, who are already buried in customer support issues.

I don't know of any other developer who has created an entire team, who has further developed tools designe specifically to track and deal with RMT, to counter the methods they use to track and deal with them, who reports to their players on a regular basis how many were banned, what the activities were, what they're looking into next, etc. Most MMos I've played, they're mostly like "yes, we deal with RMT. No we can't tell you when, how or how many we banned". GMs do not handle RMT issues. They all go to the Task Force. I've also never seen a MMO developer's actions have such a profound effect on RMT in as short a time-span as the Task Force did in XI after they initially started using it.

Many MMOs I've played have had RMT control that was absolutely abysmal, pretty much non-existant.

Now maybe other developers have taken meaures to that degree that I'm not aware of. I'll never say "SE is the only one to do it to that degree". I will say confidently that of all the MMOs I've played or followed, they're one of the very few who have taken it that seriously.

[TheVedis]

Actually, I would say taht in my experience very, very, very few MMOs have what SE developed. Many MMOs relegate RMT control to their GMs, who are already buried in customer support issues.

I don't know of any other developer who has created an entire team, who has further developed tools designe specifically to track and deal with RMT, to counter the methods they use to track and deal with them, who reports to their players on a regular basis how many were banned, what the activities were, what they're looking into next, etc. Most MMos I've played, they're mostly like "yes, we deal with RMT. No we can't tell you when, how or how many we banned". GMs do not handle RMT issues. They all go to the Task Force. I've also never seen a MMO developer's actions have such a profound effect on RMT in as short a time-span as the Task Force did in XI after they initially started using it.

Many MMOs I've played have had RMT control that was absolutely abysmal, pretty much non-existant.

Now maybe other developers have taken meaures to that degree that I'm not aware of. I'll never say "SE is the only one to do it to that degree". I will say confidently that of all the MMOs I've played or followed, they're one of the very few who have taken it that seriously.

well right off the bat i know wow has an rmt task force too, they just dont publicly announce it(gms take reports and pass them on basicaly to be dealt with)

then again wow also isnt afraid to piss off its customers by mass banning innocent people to catch a few bad ones....which i really dont agree with

[Preypacer]

well right off the bat i know wow has an rmt task force too, they just dont publicly announce it(gms take reports and pass them on basicaly to be dealt with)

then again wow also isnt afraid to piss off its customers by mass banning innocent people to catch a few bad ones....which i really dont agree with

Indeed. I consider WoW/Blizzard one of the few I know of.

Then you have companies like Sony Online Ent. who "combatted it" by embracing it and opening Station Exchange servers where RMT is sanctioned, with SOE getting a share of the money. Of course they did absolutely nothing to combat RMT on the other servers.

[TheVedis]

Indeed. I consider WoW/Blizzard one of the few I know of.

Then you have companies like Sony Online Ent. who "combatted it" by embracing it and opening Station Exchange servers where RMT is sanctioned, with SOE getting a share of the money. Of course they did absolutely nothing to combat RMT on the other servers.

not like blizzard isnt embracing it now too *coughd3*

[Preypacer]

not like blizzard isnt embracing it now too *coughd3*

lol fair point.

[Cenewulf]

The Old Republic has RMT,

All I can say is Jedi covenant at prime time on the east coast is the only server that goes as high as very heavy in population (Fat man being the only full server and the rest standard or light) and it was within the time it took 1.1 to release that i was constantly sent mail and messaged about credit sites and the like. then maybe 2 weeks before 1.2 It all vanished.

Not sure about the other servers but I dont see any of it on swtor on my server. we do have alot of republic pvp'ers who are the dumbest possible. I wish we could get them banned.