Skill expression and Evolved Mode

[Hanzz96]

is this a ragebait are we really saying current jobs are skillful cuz idk you can fat finger and ruin your 2min or get bad RNG and do less damage??

RNG is fun for some people and having a fail state for messing up is important. Once again everyone crying 2 minute meta from my experience didn't interact with it outside roulettes and normals.

RNG had moment to moment decisions and makes things unique but once again people think getting rid of things they don't like suddenly makes a job good instead of accepting that every job isn't for them

[echo78]

If you want skill expression in FFXIV you are gonna need a time machine to go back in time 10 years to play HW jobs. The devs have intentionally destroyed all skill in this game so that the skill gap between good players and bad players will just be a crit rate.

[Hanzz96]

If you want skill expression in FFXIV you are gonna need a time machine to go back in time 10 years to play HW jobs. The devs have intentionally destroyed all skill in this game so that the skill gap between good players and bad players will just be a crit rate.

Yup and I fear Evo mode where you dont have to learn a rotation and there is no friction for mistakes will make this even worse

[Reimmi]

RNG is fun for some people and having a fail state for messing up is important. Once again everyone crying 2 minute meta from my experience didn't interact with it outside roulettes and normals.

RNG had moment to moment decisions and makes things unique but once again people think getting rid of things they don't like suddenly makes a job good instead of accepting that every job isn't for them

I'm all for fail states but holding everything to get to have fun every 2 minutes is garbage game design
I do hope they aren't just making evolved mode easy mode however.

And before you say, yes i interacted with the 2 minute meta this entire expansion, raiding every tier. it is not fun to play around. I had the most fun during the short period we ran a no raid buff team last tier

[ddwarbird]

I think they did this for a simple reason, this is a way to nerf Tanks who already have too much self-healing and DPS classes that have too much sustain. These changes will make healers more required in gameplay going forward so there is a benefit to this. I imagine they were thinking "How can we restore the holy trinity of Tank, DPS and Healer without causing an uproar?"... we'll call it "Evolved mode!" I'm actually ok with that. I want to do less DPS and more healing, so I'm fine with Misery and Dia going.

[StarryVera]

I think they did this for a simple reason, this is a way to nerf Tanks who already have too much self-healing and DPS classes that have too much sustain. These changes will make healers more required in gameplay going forward so there is a benefit to this.

Did we watch the same reveal? BRD is gaining more healing, the chance that DNC or SMN are losing their healing in their kits is extremely low now that their damage buffs are gone. They are doing the complete opposite of requiring healers to heal more.

[ddwarbird]

I am alright with Bard gaining more healing because its supposed to be a support DPS, similar to Red Mage and Dancer, so more support options for those classes at the cost of lower damage is an acceptable trade off. We have not seen what Tanks look like in Evolved Mode and they are the main reason that healers cannot do their jobs.

[Hanzz96]

I am alright with Bard gaining more healing because its supposed to be a support DPS, similar to Red Mage and Dancer, so more support options for those classes at the cost of lower damage is an acceptable trade off. We have not seen what Tanks look like in Evolved Mode and they are the main reason that healers cannot do their jobs.

They arent changing the whole design of the game because people want to healbot. Thats not what healers in FF14 do and if you want everyone to lose self sustain so you can pump heals then other mmos exist. Once again another weird case of someone wanting FFXIV to be every other game but FFXIV.

[Hanzz96]

I'm all for fail states but holding everything to get to have fun every 2 minutes is garbage game design
I do hope they aren't just making evolved mode easy mode however.

And before you say, yes i interacted with the 2 minute meta this entire expansion, raiding every tier. it is not fun to play around. I had the most fun during the short period we ran a no raid buff team last tier

Thats totally fine. I'm not saying the meta should stay, personally I think I think we should have gone back to the SB/ShB days of 90s BRD, 180s DRG, 60s NIN, 120s DNC and allowed people to build comps around those buff timings for example a MCH would be great for 60s NIN. Or the party can choose if they hold to align buffs. Thats actual choice.

That being said even with buffs being gone and the meta broken losing OGCD management because everything is a follow up, losing RNG which is a huge part of bards identity and losing dots from healers and bard really isn't it and shows that evo is an easy mode

[ddwarbird]

They arent changing the whole design of the game because people want to healbot. Thats not what healers in FF14 do and if you want everyone to lose self sustain so you can pump heals then other mmos exist. Once again another weird case of someone wanting FFXIV to be every other game but FFXIV.

Well that's fine but that just means that healers will continue to complain that they have nothing to do in fights, especially if all there is now is spamming Glare or Ruin etc... You could make the same argument for people desperately wanting to project their power fantasy where their class does everything and they can self-heal themselves. It works both ways. The declining player base and constant topics and complaints with job identity obviously indicates there is a problem with the game design, not even XI had this problem, is that game any less "Final Fantasy"? To be honest, I recently started playing Red Mage anyway so it doesn't really matter to me anyway.