Adloquium and Eukrian Diagnosis should be a guaranteed crit outside of combat.

[Supersnow845]

I think you misunderstood. We already pre-shield like that. Like right now it's just fishing for the crit on the pre-pull shield. But even now we all start with a crit-shield on the tanks. That part would not change. I think that was OP's point, anyways. Factually nothing changes, it just removes the need to spam-cast before a pull until a crit happens.

But in general you don’t aim to spam both tanks because you can easily waste the first tanks shield fishing for the second shield, so it gives a pretty big advantage if you want to shield both tanks because you can save recitation.

It’s only a buff in a niche range of content but I don’t think recitation needs any indirect buffs

And this is of course ignoring it’s a really big buff for dungeons and deep dungeons which I don’t think the shield healers remotely need

[CaptainLagbeard]

But in general you don’t aim to spam both tanks because you can easily waste the first tanks shield fishing for the second shield, so it gives a pretty big advantage if you want to shield both tanks because you can save recitation.

It’s only a buff in a niche range of content but I don’t think recitation needs any indirect buffs

And this is of course ignoring it’s a really big buff for dungeons and deep dungeons which I don’t think the shield healers remotely need

Is a single off tank critlo at the start of the fight worth a recitation CD? Because if not, then I fail to see how it's a massive balance breaking buff to recitation.

[Carighan]

And this is of course ignoring it’s a really big buff for dungeons and deep dungeons which I don’t think the shield healers remotely need

I don't think it's a buff personally (as no shield is needed, having a better shield provides no value), but I kinda agree the buff isn't needed at all either, hence me suggesting that they ought to solve this via the opposite (cannot pre-shield to begin with, no matter if crit or not). Or alternatively, the crit-bonus is during combat only.

But in whatever way, just remove the concept of "I want to max-preshield" whole. And I'd maybe even go as far as remove "pre-buffing" entirely. That levels the playing field a lot given the current abilites and does open up a fair amount of new design possibilities that would be iffy right now due to players just wanting to pre-cast-optimize them. Hence not allowing it at all.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I recall my days when I was still pugging EX/Savage in PFs, times when I don't need a critlo, I just keep spamming those two when the MT starts counting down. If there's a crit? Cool. No crit? That's also fine, I and my tank have plenty more to cover up the deficit - we start the pull either way. It's not problematic.

At the end of the day, while the change seems pretty nitpicky in nature (or at least it is to me) and doesn't seem to be gamebreaking outside first minute, the next question becomes "Why do SCH or SGE even need this?". We want to tone down our overall HPS including healers', not adding even more. It would be funny if they start designing first tankbuster to account for the critical shield values though, lmao.

[Carighan]

Yeah long term stuff like this needs to either full buff purge on pull, or boss mechanics ignoring effects that did not originate post-pull (this was needed in many more open-world MMOs to prevent carrying outside mechanics into dungeons or vice versa).

[ForsakenRoe]

It would be funny if they start designing first tankbuster to account for the critical shield values though, lmao.

Isn't this the reason most bosses start with a Raidwide? To blow up your pre-pull Succor, because the devs assume that you're going to use a pre-pull Succor (after all, why would you not, it's literally free)

Having a guaranteed Crit on Adlo outside of combat would mean very silly gameplay for dungeons. As if it weren't already possible to ignore the Tanks due to their own selfhealing, we'd be able to Swiftcast a Crit Adlo, plus Recitation Excog the Tank, between every single pack for a total of about 2130p of EHP (assuming a Crit is an increase of exactly +50%). It'd be 2580p but that'd require the Tank to be sub-100% to benefit from the Adlo's base healing, which is unlikely

It'd also result in knockon effects when you consider other actions in the kit. Krasis, Protraction, Fey Illumination or Physis, all increase the effectiveness of Healing Actions, and Philosophia increases Healing Magicks (and can be used outside of combat for some reason, unlike its counterpart Seraphism, or the ever-out-of-place Dissipation). I dunno about anyone else, but I don't want to see SE adding any reason for a Sage to be popping Philosophia and/or Zoe prepull without a damn good reason. Such a change as the OP suggests would be little more than a noobtrap, I expect

[Carighan]

Maybe the easiest change is really to make Catalyze and Differential Diagnosis by in-combat-only effects?