Greenlight NA and EU Travel

[PercibelTheren]

Cultural differences are totally relevant. Some American Anglophones brush off differences but they are there. NA servers have a lot more rude people too (part of cultural differences I guess). Just go play on Oceania or do what I did: create other characters. If it's ok for Japan, it should be ok for the rest of the world.

I'm European. I have quite a few American friends and we get along just fine. The cultural differences are genuinely not as big as you claim they are. Also, I don't know about there being more rude people on NA but I can tell you EU servers have plenty of those.

[SKAshe]

I was all for this but now I think they should probably wait to see if the geopolitical world stabilizes and relations normalize so that Americans aren't attacked every time they travel to EU.

[Minarisweet]

The only real way for us to greenlight it is to make a fuss like how we did with male viera and female hrothgar so it might not happen

[PaulusHamsteru]

I was all for this but now I think they should probably wait to see if the geopolitical world stabilizes and relations normalize so that Americans aren't attacked every time they travel to EU.

I can't tell if you forgot the /s or if you're being serious.

[Valence]

Definitely goes both ways. Some players get insanely upset over someone being unable to communicate effectively and blow it out of the water. Most people who talk about french players tell me it's, at most, a temporary inconvenience until you finish the dungeon you're on and you'll likely never see them again—unless you have the misfortune of finding them in harder content—but tbh I have found a single french player who was unable to communicate in an ultimate, and we somehow sorted that out with the help of a translator.

I can only imagine they feel that way because, if you consistently create this kind of friction by refusing to communicate in a team environment, you will inevitably run into the asshole that blows up at you sooner than later. It is not my place to judge them, but if I was a french player I'd learn a handful or basic words or at least use the auto-translate feature if I was absolutely useless at languages.

The real reason is literally because the french are treated on a constant basis on the internet in general.

Also more generally latin language based communities tend to be more insular than anglo/nordic ones. Spanish and Italian, and others, aren't much more open if at all, the difference in XIV is that they don't have an official translation, so most of those who play can at least stomach a little english.

[YumieYumiki]

People tend to make sweeping generalizations about french players based only on their interactions with those who cant speak english.

[Shistar]

The real reason is literally because the french are treated on a constant basis on the internet in general.

Also more generally latin language based communities tend to be more insular than anglo/nordic ones. Spanish and Italian, and others, aren't much more open if at all, the difference in XIV is that they don't have an official translation, so most of those who play can at least stomach a little english.

I mean... we can communicate because I went out of my way to learn words we can both understand, and I do not doubt you did the same if English is also not your first language. So unfortunately I struggle to emphasize with the French players (and other languages) who are well aware they will be put in situations where they will end up interacting with people from all over the world and still choose to not communicate in any helpful manner... just because the game itself is in their language. But they're not the only language in the game, and they don't play in a region where only French people can be found.

I do agree blowing up at someone because they don't know English is completely uncalled for and toxic, I just wish they put a mote of effort into communication—because when we say "french people meme" you know exactly who we refer to; it's not regular French players, it's those who inconvenience the entire party or wipe them multiple times but are completely deaf to any sort of communication to make the situation better, forcing everyone to grit their teeth and hope it's over quickly.

I get why they feel the way they do, what I don't get is why they put themselves in such situations when even just a handful of words goes such a long way. Even broken English is leagues better than silence and continuing to make the same mistakes despite the entire group trying to give pointers. From an outside point of view, they just keep putting themselves in this situation by refusing to communicate even in the most basic manner which is provided in-game, the auto-translate feature. They still don't deserve to be treated rudely, obviously, it's just that your chances of being targeted by a toxic asshole multiply by 50 if you wipe the party 3 times in a row going on the 4th and refuse to listen to your teammates, someone will inevitably get frustrated, and someone might speak up in a way that is not respectful... so those of us who have some sense just try to step up where they fall short or hope someone who knows French or the relevant language can knock some sense into these people.

People tend to make sweeping generalizations about french players based only on their interactions with those who cant speak english.

I mean, the "french player meme" is basically that specific group of people only (and specifically those who not only don't know English, but actively refuse to learn or make any attempt at communication). If someone is using that expression for all the French players regardless of their communication skills, that's not what I am referring to here.


I want to apologize in advance if what I am saying sounds rude. I re-read it a few times and tried to make it make sense, I am not blaming them for wanting to avoid toxic players—but putting all of us in the same sack only makes their isolation worse; most people are fairly chill and willing to give communication an honest try (but we need the other person to try too!) and I wouldn't be lying if I said this situation sparked my interest in learning at least a little French, if only in an attempt to bridge that gap when needed and my translator isn't getting the work done. I don't give up on struggling players easily, but it's really hard to get to this specific type of player because they just ignore you and continue as they are—wasting everyone's time in the process. So while I completely disagree with rude players deciding that yelling at the struggling French player is the best course of action, I understand the feeling behind it xD still wrong though.

[Valence]

I mean... we can communicate because I went out of my way to learn words we can both understand, and I do not doubt you did the same if English is also not your first language. So unfortunately I struggle to emphasize with the French players (and other languages) who are well aware they will be put in situations where they will end up interacting with people from all over the world and still choose to not communicate in any helpful manner... just because the game itself is in their language. But they're not the only language in the game, and they don't play in a region where only French people can be found.

You're putting the onus on french players as if they chose to end up in multilanguage parties, but what about all the people that check mark all the languages to queue? They would only need EN activated to get into 99% of the parties, yet they turn every language on.

Not saying that there isn't french people unable or unwilling to communicate into english that don't turn them all as well though, especially since finding queues with just your non EN language can be a funny experience if you're queuing for something like alliance raids anyway. But if one was just playing with their F tag only, that wouldn't matter anyway because everybody and their mothers turn on F on top of E, D and J.

Then if people still don't reply when the autotranslation dictionary is being used, that's no different from all the non french silent party members that never say a word even after an inquiry.

And finally, as I've said above, french people have a gigantic stigma and target reticle put on their back as soon as they step on the internet. If you can't see it, that's probably because you're not french. I'd be ready to bet that other forum user one page before (with an username that's telling to me) is specifically speaking from that point of view, but I apologize if I'm mistaken.

because when we say "french people meme" you know exactly who we refer to; it's not regular French players, it's those who inconvenience the entire party or wipe them multiple times but are completely deaf to any sort of communication to make the situation better, forcing everyone to grit their teeth and hope it's over quickly.

I've seen those in every language. Utterly silent whatsoever.

[Shistar]

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I was under the impression they turned off the matching based on language settings, since unsurprisingly certain groups such as french players would be in the minority and thus struggle to get queues? I only have E set on mine and yet I still get people with only F or D in my parties. Not that it necessarily confirms it, but I heard it was this way some time ago and I find it surprising if it's still the old way. I technically never chose to play with a French player—I do not care who I am matched with, but according to the game I never chose it, so it's kind of the same thing. One can assume that if you set all the languages on, you can't cry when surprise surprise, you get players from all languages in your party?


Indeed I am not french so I wouldn't know exactly how it feels and that is why I was apologizing if I sounded rude or out of place, I wrote my previous message from an ignorant and curious point of view; I truly can't understand it so I didn't mean to offend anyone reading this.
Even if they speak in French only, I don't care, since I can just run it through a translator and get the gist of what is being said; it's the silence + wiping us over and over again that definitely does not help their existing reputation... I'm not putting the onus on only French players, but on all who consider the rest of us toxic when they're the consistent element of friction in their parties. At some point they have to look inward and think if they are doing something wrong by carrying on as they are, either by revising mechanics when something goes wrong or communicating/listening to the team, because it's also fairly obvious when there's a silent player that reads chat and adapts even if they don't say anything in return. Even just that is enough communication for me and many others, we really just wanna get through the content without turning it into an unexpected PvP match lol

[Aidorouge]

I was under the impression they turned off the matching based on language settings, since unsurprisingly certain groups such as french players would be in the minority and thus struggle to get queues? I only have E set on mine and yet I still get people with only F or D in my parties. Not that it necessarily confirms it, but I heard it was this way some time ago and I find it surprising if it's still the old way. I technically never chose to play with a French player—I do not care who I am matched with, but according to the game I never chose it, so it's kind of the same thing. One can assume that if you set all the languages on, you can't cry when surprise surprise, you get players from all languages in your party?

There's people who turn on all the matching language settings in the NA data centers too actually, thinking it'll somehow shorten their queues times. I wouldn't be shocked though if the same thing happens where they agree to join parties in other languages, and then get mad when they end up with people who can not speak their own.