Greenlight NA and EU Travel

[PaulusHamsteru]

I 100% agree. I'd probably play most of the time on EU until they fix the DDoS problem.

[Toutatis]

All that is irrelevant. It's not as if people from NA will all suddenly invade EU, or like people from EU will all suddenly invade NA.

It will be more like EU players who are on NA worlds will travel to EU for ping reasons, and NA players on EU worlds will travel to NA for ping reasons. Or to play with their friend who is on the other side of the ocean. And overall that will be a minority.

The downsides people are fearing are so overblown, especially when, in many cases, the individuals who use it have an alt at the moment to solve the ping problem, but an alt is extra work for no reason.

Cultural differences are totally relevant. Some American Anglophones brush off differences but they are there. NA servers have a lot more rude people too (part of cultural differences I guess). Just go play on Oceania or do what I did: create other characters. If it's ok for Japan, it should be ok for the rest of the world.

[theunhappypotato]

honestly yea, its time for it i just wanna play with my NA friends

[Jeeqbit]

Cultural differences are totally relevant. Some American Anglophones brush off differences but they are there. NA servers have a lot more rude people too (part of cultural differences I guess). Just go play on Oceania or do what I did: create other characters. If it's ok for Japan, it should be ok for the rest of the world.

I still don't really understand the argument you're trying to make.

Other regions than NA use auto translate a lot because there are other languages. That fact alone might quickly deter an NA player that isn't used to it - or, they'll just get used to it. But as I said, most NA players aren't going to actually leave an NA world; it's more for people who already have their main character in a region that isn't good for their ping (like you do).

As for the "not respecting who you are", that's quite vague but I can assure you there are plenty of people that respect who you are in both regions, and quite equally, people that are intolerant in both regions. For as many examples as you may find in the NA region, I can find plenty in the EU region as well. That said, I have no idea how anyone could play this game and not be respectful of differences when virtually every FC, linkshell, static, etc is diverse in my experience playing this for the last decade.

In terms of rudeness, I've experienced far more rudeness in the EU region. One time I was in Heroes' Gauntlet and they berated a poor tank for their performance the entire way through. The tank said nothing but I felt so bad being silent that I worried I'd be seen as complicit. It was sickening. Multiple normal raids and trials I've seen people just casually attack the damage output. I've never seen any of that in the NA region ever, because the NA region is extremely casual - probably because people in the US are pressured to work a lot more and thus have less time. My impression is people can be quite blunt in the EU region, although this could partially be due to English not being a native language for many and not knowing pleasantries.

Now, if we go to the raiding aspect of the NA region where people kick people? That happens in both NA and EU. You just have to join the parties with chill and pleasant descriptions to avoid those sort of people.

[Celliera]

The justifications for blocking this are wild. Americans arn't going to flood into EU servers and Europeans arn't going to flood into NA servers. We've had Materia open to us all for years now and it rarely gets used.

As it turns out, people generally don't really like playing XIV with really high ping. The most it would be used for is people who want to go hang out with friends on their DC and it would likely cause the EU and NA marketboards to equalize. These crazy hypotheticals of communities being destroyed are already debunked just by the existence of Materia.

Additionally, EU players have been on NA servers for ages and vice versa. The Field Operations community is relatively well connected across regions already as an example as we already share strats and resources. Some of the best DRS and Bozja guide videos are made by members of the EU community and some of the best written resources are made by the NA community. This idea that we are completely separate regions and that one region is worse than the other is kinda crazy as if you just take the time to actually talk with others you'll find good people anywhere you go.

[Valence]

The only region that would potentially be traveling a lot between EU and NA would probably be east coast, where in some places latency to EU is already a bit better for them than to NA.

[CCheshire]

I find it kinda odd like some ppl are acting like it's impossible for us in America to make alts on every other DC including EU and Japan right? Also, apart from someone stating out loud for the first time you meet them, how do you do know all Americans are XYZ? Being born in the USA is not some monolith, as being born in the UK or Europe is neither for everyone else.

If they ever let us do DC travel between USA and UK along with EU, then I would've liked to visit my former UK friend before she quit, so now it doesn't really matter to me. However, for the majority of Americans who will find it neat for a few days then go back to crowd their main raiding server of Aether for months again because no one sane will think actually I want to experience higher ping for no reason by raiding on a certain opposite country across the pond and deal with the time zone unless they have exceptional reasons to do it for that.

[Ayan_Calvesse]

after seeing how people on many servers kinda are forced to travel to another datacenter to run content since the datacenter travel got introduced i have to say i'm against it.

I hate this two. I think if they opened the can of worms - then they should make PF and roulette pools universal (EG no more needing to try and weasel your way into Aether to find a raid)

[MediArgentum]

They should definitely open up travel between NA and EU data centers.
I know they're concerned about the "culture clash".
I agree that there's a big difference in culture between JP and the West.
But the difference between NA and EU? Yeah, there are some differences, but not that much. Certainly nowhere as much as there is between JP and the West.

Therefore, open the travel between NA and EU!

[Paladinleeds]

Just go to OCE and keep NA and EU separate. The fix is to make PF to include an entire regional DC meaning all servers withing a region. As a non US citizen living in the Americas, I have not played on NA DC's lately for several reasons: (1) the attitude is completely different (2) languages other than English get more visibility in EU and (3) political reasons and disrespect for who you are.

I'm fully aware that languages other than English get more visibility in EU servers. Heck, my static has 2 Germans, a Dutch, and a Norweigan, the other 3 (as we're only 7/8 currently) are British. And I'm grateful for that. But, I've gone to OCE to do the casual content with that friend. I hated every moment of it. Actions felt like jelly because I have horrible ping on OCE. Also, OCE players are locked to OCE. So everyone can go to OCE but they can't go anywhere else? Surely, opening it up makes sense. Also, that American is on the east coast, she would have about equal ping on EU or NA servers.

Also, I would like to correct points 1 and 3... in England (which btw, is far better served by EU servers AND is in Europe, which is the physical area where the EU servers are hosted and designed to support), point 1: the attitude is becoming more and more American (I cannot speak for the rest of Europe), and as for point 3: I see a lot of disrespect from English folk for who people are. Bear in mind, this is happening in a country in Europe. I therefore don't see what stopping the Americans accessing EU servers does to stop that, when it's already at the doorstep of European servers via English people. And yes, I'm English and live in England. And while I wouldn't be surprised if you wish England could be sawed off from Europe and tagged onto Florida, plate tectonics would certainly disagree with that. England is a part of the geography of Europe at the end of the day.