Phoenix down should be usable in Normal trials and raids

[TeresaFortell]

The usage of Phoenix Down was expanded in 7.3. However, it is currently still restricted from normal raids/alliance raids and trials. But I would argue that expanding PD to normal trials and raids would greatly improve the overall experience.

Sometimes, when I am running roulettes that include normal raids, alliance raids, and normal trials, I see some people are struggling because they are new to the content. Because of this, we tend to wipe on such content if both healers go down. Meanwhile, I have PD in my inventory, but I am not able to use it to help the party.

Having pd available in these pieces of content would allow people to raise members, preventing a possible wipe. Additionally, it would help new learners understand the content, as they could recover and progress to the next mechanic without needing to reset.

As PD currently has a 360-second or a 6-minute cooldown, this makes it perfect for recovery and prevents people from abusing it. Therefore, implementing the option in these areas would greatly benefit the entire party/alliance and create a positive gaming experience.

[PyurBlue]

I'd rather not have them at all as they're unnecessary. There needs to be some risk of failure or everything will feel dull, and wiping isn't that big of a deal. The current raids already feel like a step backwards compared to last tier because of the lowered difficulty. Avoiding resets is also probably worse for learning fights. It's seeing mechanics more than once that promotes learning, not being carried through them.

Raise should also be limited to certain jobs, giving them a utility benefit.

[Valence]

The only reason they introduced them in light party content is because they wanted an additional failsafe. They consider that in 8 man content the second healer should provide it. I personally don't agree with this assessment and feel it's just arbitrary in fine. Like you I think it should be available everywhere in normal content. That way the devs could introduce more scarcity based gameplay actually straining on party resources (MP etc) like the game used to have, while phoenix downs would provide an additional organic layer of raising.

Like, anything making the game less binary, I'm all for, because it's been the whole problem of their battle system and their trinity since day one and it's gotten worse with how encounters go those days - they are themselves very binary in their mechanical resolution.

[Arrius]

I think it's fine where they are now. It sucks when the healers get unlucky and are downed after a mechanic, but that's a player issue to deal with in those cases. Adapt and get better next time, which is the point of those raids.

[GraceHorizon]

I have mixed feelings here. On the one hand it is better for learning to just have to go through the mechanic you failed again. On the other hand, it’s pretty frustrating in Duty Finder to be a non-healer and experience a wipe because both healers and any backup rezzers in an 8-player duty died. The current normal raid tier has given me about a 20% chance of wipe in Duty Finder if I queue on a job that can’t rez, sometimes more than one wipe, which is annoying enough that sometimes I feel compelled to go on healer to prevent it. So … I guess it’s not super necessary, but having Phoenix Downs work in all duties would increase the ability of experienced players to carry less experienced ones and reduce overall frustration.

[Connor]

Honestly I agree.

Like, it’s just normal lol. It’s not like it’s meant to be a super tough challenge in the first place. Plus it’s fucking infuriating playing as a Bard and, amongst all the other things it simply cannot do (like dps well lol), having to literally kill myself because the healers went down and there’s no SMN/RDM and I literally cannot do anything to help anyone whatsoever. Raid buffs anyone? Esuna? *skull emoji*
It’s endlessly frustrating lol.

What difference does it make if I manage to stand still for 7 seconds and completely tank my dps just to resurrect a dead healer every 360 seconds? Isn’t that literally ‘adapting to the situation’?

[PyurBlue]

Like, it’s just normal lol. It’s not like it’s meant to be a super tough challenge in the first place.

I wouldn't argue with this except that we have no mid level content. Normal raids are the closest we get and I don't want to see them diluted to the point of being a chore to play.

All I want is content that I can queue into on a whim and feel like I have to pay some amount of attention to. If SE wants to add a new difficulty for that then fine, bring on PD's for normal content.

[Valence]

Plus it’s fucking infuriating playing as a Bard and, amongst all the other things it simply cannot do (like dps well lol), having to literally kill myself because the healers went down and there’s no SMN/RDM and I literally cannot do anything to help anyone whatsoever. Raid buffs anyone? Esuna? *skull emoji*
It’s endlessly frustrating lol.

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[Aco505]

Considering I've been several times in the situation of getting a normal Golbez in trial roulette without a SMN/RDM and new healers, which has often meant using half or almost all of the instance timer before clearing... I would not mind at least one or two usages of phoenix down for the whole party per pull, at least.

[Connor]

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Literally me using Nature’s Minne but the party is already dying.

To the other poster above, I totally get the complaint that’s there’s no satisfying ‘mid-level’ content that’s actually accessible outside of PF/Statics. At the same time, I don’t think they have any intention of making normal raids anything close to ‘mid-level’ anyway, so I don’t think the ability to use Phoenix Down would massively affect the difficulty level. Probably.