You might as well add an official DPS log to the game...

[Kaurhz]

Disagree.

The problem is not the tool, but the people using the tool... All of these problems will just transfer from an unofficial parser over to the official one.

It's better just to ban people aren't capable of acting appropriately than it would be to make a new tool, just to deal with the same problem.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Oh, this topic again lol.

This is why we can't have nice thing(s).

[Deejudanne]

been raiding and doing extremes for a couple years and ultimates and never gotten removed without a word from parties

[Deejudanne]

Prog lying is the most overblown thing I have seen in this game in a long while. Yeah, some people do it but in most cases, what happens is that there are very different ideas of what it means to have done a phase of the fight.
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feels like 80% of the groups lies, m9s was straight up cancer first week, hell cells meaning wiping on pizza slices

[Shistar]

I wonder how all of this could happen with scripted fights, I am shooketh

Even in games with non-scripted fights, damage meters exist... at least in the one I played, meter was extremely common and people were even kicked out due to their damage in common dailies.

[NaoSen]

Square Enix really should SUE FFlogs and tomestone, and shut them down, because that is infuriating (I was too removed from a group). The other day I was trying to join a FRU party and they immediately questioned me, because I hadn't hit THEIR prog point. Pfft, like, how hard can going from p2 to p4 really be? I'm a quick learner, just give me a chance. They then proceeded to rudely remove me after going "ermm, no."

You are literally part of the problem, they're not creating a training party for YOU to just wing it and waste their time, they want to progress from THEIR point. If you want to start from P2 make a party starting from P2.

[NegativeS]

Only three reasons I can think of as to why this game can't have DPS logs:

1. Because it would put this game's atrocious balance on display for everyone to see, which would force SE to... actually balance the game. How horrifying.

2. Because the literal bots out here doing roulettes with no job stones, not bothering to learn rotation, standing in fire all encounter, would have tangible evidence that they suck buns and need to improve. And we can't have that, because we just can't okay!!!???

3. Making people accountable in PF groups would force low-ILVL/skill people to prog themselves instead of piggybacking off of randoms. I'll actually give them this one since WoW, a game with hitherto-approved use of DPS meters (and an official one coming soon), still has people moaning that they can't get into groups they could easily make themselves. Seems like an unsolvable problem.

[Asako]

Only two reasons I can think of as to why this game can't have DPS logs:

1. Because it would put this game's atrocious balance on display for everyone to see, which would force SE to... actually balance the game. How horrifying.

2. Because the literal bots out here doing roulettes with no job stones, not bothering to learn rotation, standing in fire all encounter, would have tangible evidence that they suck buns and need to improve. And we can't have that, because we just can't okay!!!???

To be fair, this game is actually really good balance wise between roles. There have been a few off patches where things were bad, but for the most part the balancing is very good. Not really sure where you are getting the atrocious balance from.

This 2nd issue could be solved if people had access to a personal parser for their own numbers. Honestly though it's fine as it is. Those who want to parse can do it anyway so let them work away. As long as they aren't harrassing anyone who cares.

[NegativeS]

To be fair, this game is actually really good balance wise between roles. There have been a few off patches where things were bad, but for the most part the balancing is very good. Not really sure where you are getting the atrocious balance from.

Between roles, maybe. Between jobs within a role? Absolutely not. rDPS and some cDPS seem to fall further and further behind with every patch.

This 2nd issue could be solved if people had access to a personal parser for their own numbers. Honestly though it's fine as it is. Those who want to parse can do it anyway so let them work away. As long as they aren't harrassing anyone who cares.

PF runners care. Who affect the play of others by denying them access to groups using metrics that are unavailable to them. It's only fair to have an official metric for these things.

I also care. It's unfair to me to have to suffer through instances with people who somehow made it 100 levels without learning how to play this game, or their class. If we had the ability to point out these issues and bid people to correct them, as a Mentor I gladly would. But I can't, because it's against the rules, and we have no official tools to do so.

So I don't.

So they play obliviously while others suffer as a result.

[TeresaFortell]

You are literally part of the problem, they're not creating a training party for YOU to just wing it and waste their time, they want to progress from THEIR point. If you want to start from P2 make a party starting from P2.

And how would you explain if someone has the passport but still can't pass he previouts mechanics? Most of the time, these programs simply do the opposite; they gatekeep players. As such, they do not foster a healthy gameplay environment.