Potential Housing Crisis Fix (Includes ability for permanent Housing (Sm, Med, Lrg)

[Brandr]

Am I really gatekeeping you? When I didn't start with anything either? I play the game just as you did and luck into my plots, but I did what I could to increase my own odds.and looked for what players didn't want. I didn't look for a medium or a large, too much competition, I looked for the smalls the players overlooked for the bigger plots.

If apartments are so bad , why do I have five of them?

If they were bad I shouldn't have anything outside of a storage unit right? You are welcomed to come by and take a look yourself.

I really like housing..My interest in the system isn't contingent on the size of the space, but the ability to access a space.

House hoarders have no say in this conversation, because YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

[Nyastra]

You have a ward house?

Then it becomes acceptable for it to vanish..

Like I said,

And people can't be acting as if the one is unfair while the other isn't. That's hypocritical. "HOUSING IS UNFAIR... oh, but not this way, no this way is not unfair." Why? Because it benefits me. In its current state and possibly the future however way SE decided to implement a solution, it will be unfair to a degree and deciding what's acceptable and what isn't, is the problem.

People can have their opinions but they can't claim things that are unfair in one way is totally fair the other way around, and get away with it.

[Solowing]

House hoarders have no say in this conversation, because YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

How am I apart of the problem where 4 out of 5 of my apts reside within my FC cottage? LOL

Im hoarding Apartments that don't even eat into the apartment housing supply.

At least be accurate with your labeling.

[Brandr]

How am I apart of the problem where 4 out of 5 of my apts reside within my FC cottage? LOL

Im hoarding Apartments that don't even eat into the apartment housing supply.

At least be accurate with your labeling.

So you have a house, a FC house, an apartment with your main character and 4 alts with apartments in your FC house.

And these 4 alts don't own apartments and houses, besides those in your FC House?

[Nyastra]

So you have a house, a FC house, an apartment with your main character and 4 alts with apartments in your FC house.

And these 4 alts don't own apartments and houses, besides those in your FC House?

You physically cannot own more than one personal house per service account if one of your characters already HAS a home and is on the same world. In order for them to be in the same FC, they need to be in the same world, do they not?

You can own one personal house and one Free Company (FC) house per World per service account.

If that makes you mad take it up with SE. They already made it so "Housing Hoarders" have a harder time. It's just the FC Mafias who run rampant.

[Solowing]

To add to that. Once you hit the maximum amount of plots for a service account. The only way to continue fresh housing. Is to demolish the layout and start new.

OR

Purchase another Apartment/FC room and create another room there.

A finished Plot leads back to Apartments anyway, if you still have the itch for housing abut still want to preserve your plot.

Unless you volunteer to be someone tenant and decorate their house for them. But you can be subjected to their differences in taste. If they even allow unfettered access to placement.

[Nyastra]

To add to that. Once you hit the maximum amount of plots for a service account. The only way to continue fresh housing. Is to demolish the layout and start new.

OR

Purchase another Apartment/FC room and create another room there.

A finished Plot leads back to Apartments anyway, if you still have the itch for housing abut still want to preserve your plot.

Unless you volunteer to be someone tenant and decorate their house for them. But you can be subjected to their differences in taste. If they even allow unfettered access to placement.

Which, to my understanding, apartments aren't an issue here. Mainly houses in terms of hoarding. (FC mafias where art thou)

I have four characters in my current FC (It's a regular FC) but only my main can have a personal house. The rest cannot. They can have apartments but no houses. So...

[Shistar]

Nyastra (the amount of patience you have is insane lol) has already said everything I wanted to say, but in a nutshell, the way people bring up instanced housing either leaves everything else in the dust and they don't care about the game's balance at all, or frame it in a way that would only benefit them. It is only in truly looking at both sides and striking a balance (which could entail changing how existing housing works to a certain extent, yes!) that we may find an actually feasible solution and not "I like this and it doesn't inconvenience me in any way, so it's feasible".

It was mentioned in other threads in the past, but what about instanced housing that occupies the same "slot" as ward housing? Here's the remixed, shortened, lazy explanation of my idea:
When a ward house gets demolished, it would instead be transferred to its own instance and this same house could enter the lottery to be put back in a ward if you wanted to. People can then freely take a break without fearing everything would be lost, only their spot in their ward. We went into detail about this at some point in another thread, but I can't seem to find it right now.
I think a similar system in which not using your instanced house also has some sort of consequence, not complete loss of your investment but maybe doing certain activities helps towards keeping your house in perfect shape. Gardening detailing, a simple cleaning/tidying minigame, setting down food for your chocobo/wandering minion if we could have it would be cute to encourage you to go to your house and relax for a bit. Naturally, you would be able to pay an NPC or even your retainers to do this for you. The bigger the house, the more upkeep -> the more you pay, most likely.
Maybe having certain failsafes like being able to talk to an NPC to save your house's layout and items in stasis (either with a special inventory you get for only this or space you must provide from your own inventories/retainers) so that, in the end, if you take a break everything would technically be stored safely and all you have to do is get an appropriate plot again and just click a button to get everything set up for you.

This would mean that houses could get more things to do inside of them that aren't difficult but can be a fun little activity to add to your routine or mindlessly attend to while waiting for your roulette to pop or your PF to fill, but you can also easily automate it if you're busy or don't like doing it but don't want your house to look unkempt. Hell, people could purposefully have an unkempt-looking house if they like the look. Maybe it affects the grade of restfulness your character gets from logging off there, or certain things like summoning bell, choco stables, gardening don't work if you don't do some maintenance every now and then. I feel like people sometimes forget to go into their house because there's nothing to do in there once you're done decorating (unless you wanna redecorate).

Removing some of the archaic pain points in ward housing can elevate the ceiling, which then allows for either an equally valuable instanced variant or a step below that is no worse than what we have now while holding the current structure of plot housing being the best available choice. I don't know, just throwing ideas. I love housing and I'd love for everyone to have a proper chance to go wild and be creative, but if you want absolutely no drawbacks, trade-offs or such it may be best to play a game that aims towards unlimited housing like WoW or the Sims lol not saying it like "get out of here" but like, the people who enjoy the ward system are not below or above you. Their preferences are just as valid as yours.

[ShadowyZero]

but if you want absolutely no drawbacks, trade-offs or such it may be best to play a game that aims towards unlimited housing like WoW or the Sims lol not saying it like "get out of here" but like, the people who enjoy the ward system are not below or above you. Their preferences are just as valid as yours.

you see the thing is that most the people asking for instanced housing or for improvements to alleviate some pains of the ward system were keeping to them self and engaging in productive conversations until then people like SoloWing and others came in with disingenuous comments like this one i'm replying to above this which is not a solution that helps anyone just further alienates an further perpetuates the problem and offers no real solution to gripes and frustrations at all.
people were not asking to take away your ward houses not until it became aparant that the ward system was becoming completely abused by bot farmers, elitist hoarders, and rmt.
yet those who argue against those wishing for a more fair shot to own property and land are never given any explanation at all or told why we shouldn't allow abuse of the housing system outside of snide an rude comments like "well its not your subscription to pay why are you so concerned about what people do with their money or gil?" yet at the same time tell us too "just move servers" where even more abuse keeps happening cause those same bots and hoarders target those empty wards so please tell us how why should we continue to deal with that abuse when the simple fix would to just add instance housing as its own housing system which would then make those plots less valuable to those abusers of the system cause then its no longer a luxury or commodity or exclusive thing.

so if people are going to be lecturing us about plot relevancy in wards then how about you start with by acknowledging the abuse that happens in them first then we can discuss cause all i have seen is people throwing their fragile egos around and virtue signaling without even addressing the inherit flaws of the system they so like so much. it makes most people's arguments look like hypocritical ones cause all i hear is people wagging their fingers at those of us who want to own a private instance but they don't ever mention the flaws of the ward system like at all the one thing i've seen is the timers an thats it no mentions of the abuse of the system which is very telling an it honestly makes me thing some of you coming into these threads are IN FACT the same abusers of the system and are trying to avoid facing you come upance

[Nyastra]

Their preferences are just as valid as yours.

I surprise myself sometimes, I don't know where this patience came from.
But exactly that. Everyone has their preferences and opinions and that's okay!

I *get* doing away with demolition timers has drawbacks, I get that keeping them and implementing them in both instanced and wards have drawbacks.

but if you want absolutely no drawbacks, trade-offs or such it may be best to play a game that aims towards unlimited housing

And all I asked was that people admit this and see that there are trade-offs and that it's really going to be unfair to a degree either way. Heaven forbid there are Pros and Cons but we apparently don't admit that here. Anyway, I hope they make housing better at the very least. They would be hard pressed to make it worse.