New Dungeon is a return to bad habits

[0blivion]

It was a snoozefest. The other dungeons weren't difficult, but at least in those I had to move semi-regularly, unlike this one where being mostly stationary was very much an option as a caster.

e/: And no, doing Extremes isn't the solution. They're still a snoozefest. And with Savage, the difficulty often is PF and not the fight. So yeah, I expect content to be less sleep-inducing.

[lievaordiea]

It's simple, just ignore the people saying the dungeons are too hard, because they're not. Some people literally just want to mash the 1 key and kill everything while standing in every other aoe, the rest of us actually want to play the game with some level of danger.

then the player base needs to accept and agree that to make dungeons and trials and raids harder for the playerbase that you will wipe.
folks are too fast to abandon a raid where you have wiped and to not belittle folks who are slower or to just abandon them.

case in point this week alone i queued into M9 elven queen and we wiped a couple of times (towers/halfroomclears the usual when its new to players stuff). healer left and was replaced pretty fast (thankfully). we cleared insta with the new healer. new healer was prolly very confused XD it only released on 16th and there has been enforced social events players would have had to attend to stop them playing as much.

[Connor]

then the player base needs to accept and agree that to make dungeons and trials and raids harder for the playerbase that you will wipe.
folks are too fast to abandon a raid where you have wiped and to not belittle folks who are slower or to just abandon them.

case in point this week alone i queued into M9 elven queen and we wiped a couple of times (towers/halfroomclears the usual when its new to players stuff). healer left and was replaced pretty fast (thankfully). we cleared insta with the new healer. new healer was prolly very confused XD it only released on 16th and there has been enforced social events players would have had to attend to stop them playing as much.

Honestly I think it’s the devs themselves that need to learn to accept this, though idk about players. They seem to think that ‘player death / wiping’ should essentially be an exclusive mechanic for any ‘savage-level content’. Which, is questionable when the game offers so many forms of Raise from both healers and non-healers (and literally anyone in four-man content). Like, we’re rarely allowed to die but we have millions of accessible ways to revive the dead lol. Is it really such a big deal if people can/do die? I mean, isn’t that one of the reasons games like Elden Ring / Dark Souls became so popular? Because dying isn’t just something that can happen, it’s an expected part of the game’s learning experience lol.

[0blivion]

I just stopped queuing as a healer into normal raids so my team's idiocy is no longer my responsibility. People are embarrassingly bad at M9.

[RedLolly]

We're back to endwalker difficulty content. Literally the one good thing about DT gameplay was the enhanced pace/mechanics.

I don't know what they are thinking. It's very difficult to not be disappointed all the time now.

There are mountains of threads with players noting that DT's difficulty in MSQ content was pushing them out, and even some theorize that DT's difficulty spike was a factor is the player count dropping.

The new dungeon has the creativity with mechanics DT pushed, but slightly slowed down.

[Ath192]

There are mountains of threads with players noting that DT's difficulty in MSQ content was pushing them out, and even some theorize that DT's difficulty spike was a factor is the player count dropping.

The new dungeon has the creativity with mechanics DT pushed, but slightly slowed down.

I'm pretty sure the exodus happening in this game is due to neutered jobs, boring gameplay and a terrible story line.

You see, difficulty in a video game is not a cardinal sin. It's something those who enjoy it relish and those who don't put up with so long as the game is interesting and engaging. We wouldn't see difficult games enjoy the level of success they do such as Elden Ring or Silk Song. Meanwhile, visual novels who lack these things don't do as well. Take FFXVI for example. Gorgeous game, decent story, absolutely mediocre gameplay.

I say that as someone who bought a PS5 exclusively to play FFXVI on release. I wanted to see what a team unburdened by FFXIV's previous flop was capable of. Turns out, gameplay isn't their strong suit.

Heck, you can't even raid or play most of the games endgame without DC hopping to Aether in NA which is almost always closed off. That's the level of priority actually playing the MMO part of the game takes. Scrolling through endless dialogue texts and playing solo with bots (trusts) though. Now that's where all the money went. And you can really tell. That part of the game is smooth as butter.

Nothing for gamers here.

[hydralus]

I'd wager the exodus is 90% due to the horrible story. Look at Expedition 33. Overall a mediocre game gameplay wise but it has a great story and music so it won so many rewards despite its mechanical failings as an RPG.

[Azurarok]

Honestly easier fights wouldn't bother me much if jobs weren't constantly becoming more boring and similar. Not against a change to their structure but the difficulty isn't really something I'm concerned with for story content unless it makes sense given the context (like In From the Cold, though that's a solo instance).

[CCheshire]

TBH, I've never thought of any EXDR really meant to be challenging since they're all part of the MSQ therefore, SE wants everyone, and I mean everyone, to clear it at least once to progress through it for the new patch. Also, I don't recall the last time anyone said I expect the new EXDR dungeon to be hard and unique, since I'll be running it for months and months it will became boring so fast along with my miserable glam farming for the rest of the mistwake sets.

[mallleable]

It was easy, but I liked it. My biggest criticism is that boss 2, and boss 3 felt a bit too similar ie putting a bunch of orbs on the ground that explode.