Synthetic dark matter help

[Blindheart]

I need help on how to craft the dark matter for the relic

I had not touched crafting this expansion and it took this whole last month just to get all my crafters and gatherers leveled up and meld gear with the minimum stats to even collect the items and start the craft… only to find out I need 100% quality to successfully make the items.
I took all my steps to even get the progress bar to 100%… I don’t understand how to get both to 100%.

Is this even possible with the iLvl 720 orange scrip gear and minimum required stats?
Or do I have to take another 2 months figuring out how to make better gear and farm materia for failing melds and/or going through the moon quests to get better stuff?

Feel like I am falling further behind every week because I can’t get the next level of my relic weapons because of this roadblock.

[Frizze]

So the short answer is yes. The minimum stats are always enough for someone who hand-crafts and has a good understanding of their kit. Macro-crafting requires higher stats because they cant take advantage of conditions(and because they want to use as few steps as possible to fit in said macro). Now with that said, "enough" does not mean "easy". Often this means taking the time to HQ any intermediate steps. Unfortunately, that cant help here. These are at least fairly cheap recipes, so that helps a little. If youre struggling to even fill the bar it makes me wonder if you did the job quests. You might be missing a skill or two that could help. For the time being, we have a couple options. We can plug your stats into one of the simulators and see what it spits out. You can use the in-game Trial Synthesis to play with a few different methods and rotations to see if you get a better feel for it.

Or failing that, because these are tradable items you can either buy them off the market board or find another crafter willing to put them together for you if you provide the mats.

[Nyastra]

I need help on how to craft the dark matter for the relic

I had not touched crafting this expansion and it took this whole last month just to get all my crafters and gatherers leveled up and meld gear with the minimum stats to even collect the items and start the craft… only to find out I need 100% quality to successfully make the items.
I took all my steps to even get the progress bar to 100%… I don’t understand how to get both to 100%.

Is this even possible with the iLvl 720 orange scrip gear and minimum required stats?
Or do I have to take another 2 months figuring out how to make better gear and farm materia for failing melds and/or going through the moon quests to get better stuff?

Feel like I am falling further behind every week because I can’t get the next level of my relic weapons because of this roadblock.

You could also purchase them from the MB if I remember correctly? Though not sure on pricing etc. Used to be rather expensive but tanked quickly because people love destroying markets.

[Jade_Isentry]

So the short answer is yes. The minimum stats are always enough for someone who hand-crafts and has a good understanding of their kit. Macro-crafting requires higher stats because they cant take advantage of conditions(and because they want to use as few steps as possible to fit in said macro). Now with that said, "enough" does not mean "easy". Often this means taking the time to HQ any intermediate steps. Unfortunately, that cant help here. These are at least fairly cheap recipes, so that helps a little. If youre struggling to even fill the bar it makes me wonder if you did the job quests. You might be missing a skill or two that could help. For the time being, we have a couple options. We can plug your stats into one of the simulators and see what it spits out. You can use the in-game Trial Synthesis to play with a few different methods and rotations to see if you get a better feel for it.

Or failing that, because these are tradable items you can either buy them off the market board or find another crafter willing to put them together for you if you provide the mats.

This reply is, unfortunately supremely unhelpful, and just plain wrong regarding the important points.

"The minimum stats are always enough for someone who hand-crafts" is just plain flat out false. I have over 300 more craftsmanship, and 500 more control than the game says is required, and I can't even get remotely close to the required quality to successfully craft Synthetic Dark Matters. I'm extremely lucky to even get close to 3/4 of the needed quality while still being able to finish the progress, and I usually only manage about 1/2 on an attempt with decently lucky status procs. I'm running Best-in-Slot DT gear with enough advanced melding done that I'm not going to get THAT much better just from maxing out my melds. And yes. I have done ALL job quests, through ALL expansions.

It's absolute BS. How are we even supposed to do this? It is quite literally mathematically impossible. So what Blindheart and I need here is an actual detailed step by step guide from someone who actually managed to craft these, describing EVERYTHING about what they did and had in order to achieve the desired result.

This reply that boils down to, "Just follow the basic principles and actions that any noob crafter already knows and does for any other craft" is useless. That DOES NOT WORK. Or we wouldn't be needing to ask for help.

I've searched online for such guides, or for any more detailed help, and there seems to just be nothing out there. I'd be grateful to anyone who can provide such a guide. (Provided of course that it actually works as they claim.)

[Azurarok]

Could try some crafting simulators online to run quick tests. I was able to do it with Everseeker gear back when the patch dropped.

Have you been using food/potions? I typically use HQ Rroneek Steak and Cunning Craftsman's Tisane. Are you doing it with your Specialist classes? Should also post what skills you're trying too.

[Uzephi]

I've searched online for such guides, or for any more detailed help, and there seems to just be nothing out there. I'd be grateful to anyone who can provide such a guide. (Provided of course that it actually works as they claim.)

So... BiS? ilvl 750? And you're still having issues? Have you put your stats in a crafting resolver like Raphael? I would highly suggest reading over the macro that spits out. Quite a few of us have been able to craft these items in full 720, so being over geared should make it a bit easier.

[Jade_Isentry]

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Roger that. This is a start, thanks. I'll try the food and pots.

And yes, I'm using a specialist, but unless I'm actually using the spec. abilities (the ones that use deliniations), which I'm not, I'm not sure how that helps. I've never really explored those abilities much, as I've never had much of a chance or need for them before, and deliniations are expensive, and they tend to look EXTEMELY niche-situational. At least, they did back when I actually looked at them, but I was less experienced then, so I'd have to look again.

As for the abilities I'm using, I've tried a lot of different strategies, but all with similar results. In general, for quality, I mostly use one of 3 combo's varying my priority between them based circumstance and/or current strategy:
Combo 1) Basic, Standard, Advanced Touch
Combo 2) Basic, Refined Touch
Combo 3) Just Preparatory Touch
Occasional use of Prudent Touch or Delicate Synthesis for certain niche situations.

My usual strategy is to try to maximize buff stack usage, using combos of various length to get them to line up with when the buffs will expire.

I try to save enough CP to end with a Great Strides -> Byregot's Blessing combo while Innovation is still active.

I've swapped between strategies that open with Reflect, and ones that open with Muscle Memory -> Trained Perfection -> Groundwork (or Intensive Synthesis if it becomes available).

I open my quality phase with Manipulation, Waste Not II, and Innovation active, refreshing Innovation and one or other of the first two as I need and/or can afford. Occasionally eating an unbuffed (or partially unbuffed) quality ability if needed to avoid wasting other buff stacks.

I seldom, if ever wind up needing to use either of the Mend abilities, generally considering it a sign of having failed to optimally use CP, Manipulation stacks, and/or durability if I do. I generally run out of CP before Durability. Which of course means that I basically never use Trained Finesse. Perhaps surprisingly though, I have yet to wind up getting in any uses of Hasty Touch/Daring Touch, either (which are of course used when CP is spent, but unneeded durability remains).

I basically NEVER waste a good or excellent quality proc. Good almost always goes to Precise Touch, very rarely to Tricks of the Trade if I'm out of CP, or if I calculate ahead of time that the extra 20 CP will make a significant difference, and it goes to Intensive Synthesis if it happens at a convenient moment for that ability. Excellent status procs ALWAYS go to Precise Touch, unless I don't have enough CP, or they happen at a moment when they will cause Byregot's Blessing to finish up the craft quality (which of course has never happened on Synthetic Dark Matter attempts, as I've never managed to get them to sufficient quality).

I think that mostly sums up the basics of my most commonly used ability strateg(y/ies).

[Jade_Isentry]

So... BiS? ilvl 750? And you're still having issues? Have you put your stats in a crafting resolver like Raphael? I would highly suggest reading over the macro that spits out. Quite a few of us have been able to craft these items in full 720, so being over geared should make it a bit easier.

Yes. I did already mention in my post you were replying to that I had BiS gear (Full Crested/Gold Thumb's, and all HQ).

Thanks for the the pointer to Raphael though. I'd never heard about that tool, despite having been playing for many years now. I'll check it out.

[Uzephi]

Yes. I did already mention in my post you were replying to that I had BiS gear (Full Crested/Gold Thumb's, and all HQ).

Thanks for the the pointer to Raphael though. I'd never heard about that tool, despite having been playing for many years now. I'll check it out.

Sorry for making it seem I didn't read. You said BiS, so I was verifying the 750 set since 720 was BiS when these came out, so making sure your BiS was current patch and not previous. A resolver is always a good starting ground if you run into difficulties. You can find some odd rotations that 'just work' for that specific craft. I would always suggest cp food when doing a master craft your level. The extra few steps the food gives will help immensely. (Example, HQ rroneek steak gives 96 extra CP)

[Azurarok]

Yeah I only use specialist for the stat boost, especially for the CP. With my current gear including that and the food boosts I mentioned above I have 5748 craftmanship, 5137 control, and 744 cp.

Master's Mend is rarely useful, while Immaculate Mend is very useful for crafts with high durability, neither of them are worth using for any low durability crafts like this though. Meanwhile Manipulation's pretty much always good.

I usually use Preparatory Touch/Groundwork with Manipulation and Waste Nots, but there's also times where the Basic/Standard/Advanced/Refined touch combos work better. Changing when you use Innovation may also make a difference to catch more efficient Touch skills with more Inner Quiet stacks. You could also be wasting CP with Waste Not II when a Waste Not I could be enough.

I don't consider myself a crafting expert either so take this all with a grain of salt though.

Don't remember what skills I used back then, but a rotation that worked last night was:

Reflect
Manipulation
Innovation
Waste Not
Preparatory Touch x 4
Trained Perfection
Great Strides
Manipulation
Innovation
Preparatory Touch
Trained Finesse
Great Strides
Byregot's Blessing
Waste Not
Veneration
Groundwork x 3
Basic Synthesis