DDoS two hours after the patch goes live is ridiculous

[Andanie]

I'm so close to saying f it, losing my house and just quitting.

Everything's a problem. Game doesn't innovate, Housing holds you hostage, and when I do wanna play or roleplay with friends no one can stay connected due to what? Bad server infrastructure because they refuse to spend real money on it?

[vampiregirl663]

I just want to see SE do more to server infrastructure for NA. It's been confirmed NA gets DDOSed way more than EU or JP. Why is that? There's got to be some good reasons for that, I suspect part of it is aging infrastructure. And it certainly wouldn't hurt at this point along with considering other options like not losing mats when you craft if you unexpectedly get logged out.

[Jeeqbit]

I've heard that PS5 is less affected because that client has a longer timeout before it gives up. I think I might agree, because it does feel short. I notice the lag, and I'm out in less than 10 seconds. If were 30-60 seconds, I would be super dead, the party would wipe, but that's fine. Because it would still avoid the queue. That makes it much less of an inconvenience. Not to mention, getting dropped during a craft! A longer timeout would solve that too.

The timeout definitely has something to do with it. If the timeout is working differently on PS5, then maybe the OS that playstation uses actually has better timeout settings that override whatever SE is setting.

[Arrius]

[...]Housing holds you hostage[...]

Ain't SE's fault if you cannot let go of your house - You knew what you got yourself into the moment you were looking for one.

They pay real money to keep a house they bought with fake money that they likely don’t use. Or want. So that it looks pretty in a empty neighborhood?
Just let it go. It's not worth the commitment if you just pop into your place to stop the auto-demo and nothing else.

[KihyiFelhede]

Ain't SE's fault if you cannot let go of your house - You knew what you got yourself into the moment you were looking for one.

Nah, come on. "You will lose your in-game item if you do not continue to play" is a well-known game design dark pattern to keep players hooked. Artificial scarcity, sunk cost, social clout/resource. It hits 3 of the big 4 categories (monetary, psychological, social). Of course people don't want to lose their cool things they spent both real money (sub) and time (in the form of gil/lottery) to obtain. There's a reason housing is one of the worst RMT offenders.

[Andanie]

Ain't SE's fault if you cannot let go of your house - You knew what you got yourself into the moment you were looking for one.

Oh my god this stupid argument again.

I rp in my house all the time. It's what keeps me using it. But people take breaks, they do other things, life happens.

And even if I didn't, it's a stupid system. It's absolutely SE's fault for making a system where only a select amount of people can participate, and the ones who can feel hellbent on holding it because it's so hard to get again. It's insane in 2025 that you still have people arguing the system is fine. And we can't pretend it's not a solvable problem.

We have instanced housing in Islands. We have other games examples. Both LoTR and WoW both older games than XIV by far have housing neighborhoods that simply spin up whenever they're full. Which isn't even the point of my post.

[Arrius]

Nah, come on. "You will lose your in-game item if you do not continue to play" is a well-known game design dark pattern to keep players hooked. Artificial scarcity, sunk cost, social clout/resource. It hits 3 of the big 4 categories (monetary, psychological, social). Of course people don't want to lose their cool things they spent both real money (sub) and time (in the form of gil/lottery) to obtain. There's a reason housing is one of the worst RMT offenders.

If the only big thing that keeps you from stepping away from the game is the house that you, at best, afk in and/or to starve off the demo timer ... then it is a You issue.

Grab a apartment room instead, since that one sticks around even when you were gone for months.

[hydralus]

Oh my god this stupid argument again.

I rp in my house all the time. It's what keeps me using it. But people take breaks, they do other things, life happens.

And even if I didn't, it's a stupid system. It's absolutely SE's fault for making a system where only a select amount of people can participate, and the ones who can feel hellbent on holding it because it's so hard to get again. It's insane in 2025 that you still have people arguing the system is fine. And we can't pretend it's not a solvable problem.

We have instanced housing in Islands. We have other games examples. Both LoTR and WoW both older games than XIV by far have housing neighborhoods that simply spin up whenever they're full. Which isn't even the point of my post.

If it's not worth it then stop paying for it. It's that easy.

[Arrius]

And even if I didn't, it's a stupid system. It's absolutely SE's fault for making a system where only a select amount of people can participate, and the ones who can feel hellbent on holding it because it's so hard to get again. It's insane in 2025 that you still have people arguing the system is fine. And we can't pretend it's not a solvable problem.

At the given time, it is the system SE has in place for housing. And even IF they announce today to have plans changing it, it would be at the very earliest point until the next expansion to see any progress.
So until then, you would be still stuck to the current one. The one you accepted to deal with the moment you decided to get a house.

Is it great? No.
Could it better? Absolutely it can.

[Andanie]

If it's not worth it then stop paying for it. It's that easy.

I'm about at that point, but not fully. WHich is what my first post said. But it doesn't mean that housing system isn't predatory and bad and it doesn't have to be like that. Why is that so hard?