CC End of Season 18 - List of pvp grievances and long running issues

[jesseleewelch]

Nah you're trying to make points around history you don't know much about. Anyway this is a CC thread and you're complaining about Frontline so there's really nothing to discuss here. Sorry you're suffering but also haps.

I have the data to prove it and your own statements only back up ehat i am saying

[Valence]

If you didn't understand my point, you need to go back and read it again.

My point is that things like FL and RW take up the game's resources and only a very small percentage of the population actually finds it fun. If you need a carrot on a stick to get people to play, that means a dismally small percentage of the population finds it fun. There's 3 types of people here, those who find it fun, those who do it for the reward, and those who don't do it at all. The numbers make it abundantly clear that the first category is extremely small part of the population.

Your own example with Frontlines backs up my statement. Before there was a roulette, you were still getting xp, series xp, and achievements. Yet even then, you had to play 8v8v8 because the bigger version was often unavailable. They needed an even bigger carrot to get people to play. Think about that. If people genuinely find it fun, they wouldn't need a carrot to play. The fact that people need a reason other than "fun" to even get it to pop speaks volumes.

I am being a populist here. Folks should focus on what the majority enjoy, not something only a tiny fraction of the player base enjoys. The problem with pvp is that it exists.

You keep ignoring what I replied but I do believe it is actually relevant to what you're saying. PvP is hardly the only type of content with small numbers of participation. You're aware that a 8v8v8 is the equivalent of popping a full alliance raid already right? That's a lot of players to pool together already, so imagine pooling together 72 players (that's 3 alliance raids at once). That it popped without even a daily (and having other crippling issues added to it like no freelancing) is testimony that people played it, because I've also played during a time when Alliance Raid roulette wasn't a thing either and guess how much time it could take to pop a single Labyrinth of the Ancients? One to three hours at best. And I should know because back then I tried specifically to farm for the NIN/MNK gear set and it was hell because of this.

Also yeah, this isn't really the right thread for this. How about you open your own where you can ask pvp to be deleted all your heart's content just because you felt compelled to farm achievements for something you hate?

[Sunhwapark]

The time between queueing in and actually starting the match in CC is long, I wish we could cut down the amount of time panning across the map and the portrait thing.
It loses its luster very quickly, or perhaps I'm just incredibly impatient.

[jesseleewelch]

You keep ignoring what I replied but I do believe it is actually relevant to what you're saying. PvP is hardly the only type of content with small numbers of participation. You're aware that a 8v8v8 is the equivalent of popping a full alliance raid already right? That's a lot of players to pool together already, so imagine pooling together 72 players (that's 3 alliance raids at once). That it popped without even a daily (and having other crippling issues added to it like no freelancing) is testimony that people played it, because I've also played during a time when Alliance Raid roulette wasn't a thing either and guess how much time it could take to pop a single Labyrinth of the Ancients? One to three hours at best. And I should know because back then I tried specifically to farm for the NIN/MNK gear set and it was hell because of this.

Also yeah, this isn't really the right thread for this. How about you open your own where you can ask pvp to be deleted all your heart's content just because you felt compelled to farm achievements for something you hate?

The only one ignoring points is you. I never said pvp was the only unpopular content with low levels of participation, it's just the one i am talking about now. And this is the relevant thread because CC is pvp like FL and RW and my point pertains to all pvp. You are among the single digit percentage of the player community that actually enjoys pvp so you defend it, but the reality is it takes up a lot of the game's resources and the vast majority of players either play it for the rewards or not at all. There's no arguing around that fact.

[Valence]

I'm not even defending it, I'm saying your logic makes zero sense and you're misinterpreting the data on purpose.

[jesseleewelch]

I'm not even defending it, I'm saying your logic makes zero sense and you're misinterpreting the data on purpose.

No misinterpretation is taking place, it's a straight reading. You saw the ffxiv census. You saw how many players get to series level 15 compared to the total number of active players there are. And it's not loke i am the only one saying this either...

https://youtu.be/bmdgZ3A9Kyg?si=trUW7bNJI2BKe_75

https://youtu.be/1QdfaWM_090?si=Xr6G6jgN_A5C9Aq9

https://youtu.be/952CyLImZ3c?si=nnKJ0EjJzkyuOhKl

At the end of the day, the data speaks for itself, you just refuse to see it.