Please, no more Wuk Lamat

[BokoToloko]

The story has been dead since 7.0 and 7.3 has been CBU3 going "NONONONO" and sticking xiv with a defibrillator over and over, going by the teaser at the end of the patch's MSQ
I don't think they need the community's help since they seem perfectly capable of killing their game on their own

I've read enough "solutions" for the story from the "community" to know that, for a blessing, the story hasn't hit rock bottom and the "concerned players regarding the story" think way more highly of themselves than they should. But that's how it works in every community, everyone thinks they can do better (and, unsurprisingly enough, none of them has actually tried to write a story, let along one that holds against honest scrutiny) than the author. Here, it's just more of the same.

People have always deified FFXIV storytelling when, at the very best, it's just nice but usually averages in the lukewarm territory. And, yet, armchair writers believe they can actually improve while posting god-awfully simplistic and poorly structured solutions.

[TBerry]

I've read enough "solutions" for the story from the "community" to know that, for a blessing, the story hasn't hit rock bottom and the "concerned players regarding the story" think way more highly of themselves than they should. But that's how it works in every community, everyone thinks they can do better (and, unsurprisingly enough, none of them has actually tried to write a story, let along one that holds against honest scrutiny) than the author. Here, it's just more of the same.

People have always deified FFXIV storytelling when, at the very best, it's just nice but usually averages in the lukewarm territory. And, yet, armchair writers believe they can actually improve while posting god-awfully simplistic and poorly structured solutions.

They're so used to be the main character it's become chronic.
There is nothing wrong with being the hero in a story, but it's still fiction.

[Valence]

I've read enough "solutions" for the story from the "community" to know that, for a blessing, the story hasn't hit rock bottom and the "concerned players regarding the story" think way more highly of themselves than they should. But that's how it works in every community, everyone thinks they can do better (and, unsurprisingly enough, none of them has actually tried to write a story, let along one that holds against honest scrutiny) than the author. Here, it's just more of the same.

People have always deified FFXIV storytelling when, at the very best, it's just nice but usually averages in the lukewarm territory. And, yet, armchair writers believe they can actually improve while posting god-awfully simplistic and poorly structured solutions.

There is a lot of assumptions here. Can't talk for everyone but I certainly won't pretend I can write a better story. It may be a past time of mine in tabletop and whatnot, but I'm not a professional writer. All I can do is give feedback on something I really didn't like, or point at what I consider to be dramatic flaws.
I also never considered that getting rid of that one character would suddenly fix all the issues, since I consider them to be inherent to the writing choices and the target audience shift in the tone.
I'm not here to give "solutions for the story". Not my job. Perhaps if you could actually point me at which solutions were offered that you refer to here it would actually help, because so far it only sounds like strawmaning?

You can call people arrogant all your like, that doesn't make less so of an ad personam that doesn't even bring anything constructive.

[BokoToloko]

There is a lot of assumptions here. Can't talk for everyone but I certainly won't pretend I can write a better story. It may be a past time of mine in tabletop and whatnot, but I'm not a professional writer. All I can do is give feedback on something I really didn't like, or point at what I consider to be dramatic flaws.
I also never considered that getting rid of that one character would suddenly fix all the issues, since I consider them to be inherent to the writing choices and the target audience shift in the tone.
I'm not here to give "solutions for the story". Not my job. Perhaps if you could actually point me at which solutions were offered that you refer to here it would actually help, because so far it only sounds like strawmaning?

You can call people arrogant all your like, that doesn't make less so of an ad personam that doesn't even bring anything constructive.

You assume I'm speaking about you specifically and not about the several posts in this and other threads that get their panties in a twist about one fictional character the "community" (aka the loudest criers) turned into a scapegoat because the expansion story wasn't up to their standards. Wouldn't be calling them "armchair writers" if they didn't literally tried to pilot the story themselves (and this thread has enough proof of that).

Trying to list fallacies from the list doesn't make them exist out of thin air (not to mention that's, on itself, a fallacy). And just becuase it's feedback doesn't mean it's uncontestable or infallible. Feedback can be flawed and can be contested. And that would be assuming throwing the umpteenth tantrum about Wuk Lamat has any actual constructive criticism on it, which is a considerable stretch. Letting the noisiest complainers lead the stage totally unopposed is, by far and large, more destructive than "calling names".

But if you want it nice and simple, there you go, for everyone: Stop trying to pilot the story. It's already messy when it changes hands, even more when it comes from an outsider (a.k.a. the reader).

[MoonNoire]

But if you want it nice and simple, there you go, for everyone: Stop trying to pilot the story. It's already messy when it changes hands, even more when it comes from an outsider (a.k.a. the reader).

I don't believe anyone made you the authority on what people are or aren't allowed to do or criticize, but I could've missed the meeting

[localareanetwork]

DT Turned me into a cutscene skipper. I have literally no idea what's going on in the post game

[Luca_]

Making wuk Lamat as a main character while making our own character as a side character was biggest mistake they ever made that simply destroying entire story of Dawntrail and i simply hope we will never see Wuk Lamat again after Dawntrail.

I don't even care that the WoL took a backseat but doing that so that we could have 20 hours of Wuk Lamat talking over every other character in the MSQ was completely insane

Offscreening Krile's most important reveal so we could spend more time with Wuk and then having her whine about how bored she was in Living Memory when we actually were focused on another character for 3 quests was some truly incredible writing

[Astronis]

The story has been dead since 7.0 and 7.3 has been CBU3 going "NONONONO" and sticking xiv with a defibrillator over and over, going by the teaser at the end of the patch's MSQ
I don't think they need the community's help since they seem perfectly capable of killing their game on their own

7.1-7.3 have been CBU3 setting up the next expac. Like they always do. For crying out loud, there was plenty wrong with Dawntrail, but it categorically did NOT kill the story and then leave the writers scrambling for a way to fix it. Dawntrail had plothooks for future events dangling about thick as a fleet of crowded fishing boats and everything in the post-patches has been picking up on those to follow up on.

What the post-patches have done is demonstrate that the devs heard LOUD and CLEAR about how we (generally) feel about certain aspects of the story and they adjusted as much as is reasonable within the confines of stories that were already written by the time they caught all of our blowback. If they still want to tells stories about the WoL stepping back a bit and making sure there are more shoulders around than just his to bear the weight of the world, they know now that making us 'Speak to Wuk Lamat' isn't the way to tell it.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Was amused during the game awards where FFXIV was represented by Wuk Lamat saying something lame and then they lost the award they were nominated for.

[Valence]

You assume I'm speaking about you specifically and not about the several posts in this and other threads that get their panties in a twist about one fictional character the "community" (aka the loudest criers) turned into a scapegoat because the expansion story wasn't up to their standards. Wouldn't be calling them "armchair writers" if they didn't literally tried to pilot the story themselves (and this thread has enough proof of that).

Trying to list fallacies from the list doesn't make them exist out of thin air (not to mention that's, on itself, a fallacy). And just becuase it's feedback doesn't mean it's uncontestable or infallible. Feedback can be flawed and can be contested. And that would be assuming throwing the umpteenth tantrum about Wuk Lamat has any actual constructive criticism on it, which is a considerable stretch. Letting the noisiest complainers lead the stage totally unopposed is, by far and large, more destructive than "calling names".

But if you want it nice and simple, there you go, for everyone: Stop trying to pilot the story. It's already messy when it changes hands, even more when it comes from an outsider (a.k.a. the reader).

Then contest the feedback instead of posturing in the air by pointing at "armchair writers" (whoever they may be) and "solutions" (whatever they may be)? You're literally coming here, saying that the thread is full of bad writers and bad solutions but you're leaving it at that. We're not gifted mind readers, nobody will know what you're actually referring to. If you want to oppose the noisiest complainers then actually oppose them on what they're saying you know? Because so far I still have no idea what criticism you're trying to address and the only thing you've been doing is calling people names.

On piloting the story: I'm sure the writers are adults and smart enough not to just implement whatever random idea is brought over with no thought whatsoever. And if you're worried for them to listen to said feedback anyway, then see above and contest it and explain why it's bad.