We don't need them anymore.

[Eesh]

never have I been so pointlessly stressed before.

This is a video game. It's all pointless. The prestige you earn. The pixels you get. It's all nothing and it's as pointless now with the change as it was before.

Your values here are a bit misaligned if your takeaway is that you expected having to spend a month grinding an MMO 10 years ago was going to forever crystallize as a prestigious achievement you could forever hold onto.

[cutestfox]

Your values here are a bit misaligned if your takeaway is that you expected having to spend a month grinding an MMO 10 years ago was going to forever crystallize as a prestigious achievement you could forever hold onto.

It was the explicit prize as advertised as SE. My expectations were completely inline with what was told.
And that's exactly how it went for a decade, until a sudden flip of the switch

[Shipp]

This is a video game. It's all pointless. The prestige you earn. The pixels you get. It's all nothing and it's as pointless now with the change as it was before.

Your values here are a bit misaligned if your takeaway is that you expected having to spend a month grinding an MMO 10 years ago was going to forever crystallize as a prestigious achievement you could forever hold onto.

That is literally how it was framed. It has nothing to do with values. Aside valuing SE's words as being truthful just to be rugpulled later.

I still have yet to hear a convincing answer as to why SE should not create -new- armor for the PvP set instead of bringing back the old one that they lied about being exclusively one-time only.

[Heroman3003]

That is literally how it was framed. It has nothing to do with values. Aside valuing SE's words as being truthful just to be rugpulled later.

I still have yet to hear a convincing answer as to why SE should not create -new- armor for the PvP set instead of bringing back the old one that they lied about being exclusively one-time only.

Because the people putting in the demand for old stuff to come back are not doing it because they want more PvP rewards or more accessible stuff, it's because they want the stuff that once was accessible but is now not to be accessible again because they like the appearance of those specific sets.

I mean, there is an option for 'middle ground'. A dye-able recolor of those OG special-super-unique-reward sets as a 'new' reward, but let's be honest, that's extra effort and wouldn't make the people miffed about it any less angry, so there's no point.

It's like that meme comic about a guy who wants to just order coffee and yall are the cashier offering all the weird mixed drinks (aka 'compromises') when all the guy wants is to be able to get some plain old coffee (aka access to the old sets).

I'll be honest, I don't even know what those sets look like or why the demand for them been enough for SE to even bother (must be VERY high for them to actually, yknow, do something over nothing), but it is absolutely hilarious that people defending the idea of permanent exclusivity do so while closing their eyes and ears and pretending like they do not understand the one and only reason why people want it. "Oh, they want more rewards for PvP!" no they want access to those clothes "They want to steal our glory!" they just want the clothes "They must want more clothing options to be added" no, they want those specific ones "They just want to push out us oldheads" they dont even know you exist they just want the outfit.

[Shipp]

Because the people putting in the demand for old stuff to come back are not doing it because they want more PvP rewards or more accessible stuff, it's because they want the stuff that once was accessible but is now not to be accessible again because they like the appearance of those specific sets.

I mean, there is an option for 'middle ground'. A dye-able recolor of those OG special-super-unique-reward sets as a 'new' reward, but let's be honest, that's extra effort and wouldn't make the people miffed about it any less angry, so there's no point.

It's like that meme comic about a guy who wants to just order coffee and yall are the cashier offering all the weird mixed drinks (aka 'compromises') when all the guy wants is to be able to get some plain old coffee (aka access to the old sets).

I'll be honest, I don't even know what those sets look like or why the demand for them been enough for SE to even bother (must be VERY high for them to actually, yknow, do something over nothing), but it is absolutely hilarious that people defending the idea of permanent exclusivity do so while closing their eyes and ears and pretending like they do not understand the one and only reason why people want it. "Oh, they want more rewards for PvP!" no they want access to those clothes "They want to steal our glory!" they just want the clothes "They must want more clothing options to be added" no, they want those specific ones "They just want to push out us oldheads" they dont even know you exist they just want the outfit.

No, it's more like the guy walks into Starbucks in the middle of Winter and orders the exclusive St. Patrick's Day limited-time drink that is only served for the week of the holiday and the cashier is wondering why this man is acting belligerent over being told no.

[KolaPepper]

No, it's more like the guy walks into Starbucks in the middle of Winter and orders the exclusive St. Patrick's Day limited-time drink that is only served for the week of the holiday and the cashier is wondering why this man is acting belligerent over being told no.

Now just replace "the guy" and "this man" with "the majority of the player base" and you will understand why the devs are making the change. No small group of players should have a say over changes that benefit everyone except them like the people that hate the glam restriction changes. Call the majority of players entitled all you want but what they want matters more to square enix than what a fraction of old top 100 players want and the company is making the common sense business move of listening to the masses.

This is also a good move for the game's budget because the gear and mounts are already made. They are just locked behind an arbitrary restriction to access them. So all the effort/money used making the sets and mounts will not be wasted if they just turn the switch on that puts them back in the game as rewards. This also doesn't mean that new pvp rewards will NEVER be made again like some people think just because the feast rewards are coming back.

This may upset you personally, maybe even cause you to quit the game before you reach Dawntrail. But the benefit of adding them vastly outweigh the negatives whether you understand that or not. There are plenty of other MMOs that punish their players the way you want them to if that's what you're interested in.

[Zakuyia]

Now just replace "the guy" and "this man" with "the majority of the player base" and you will understand why the devs are making the change. No small group of players should have a say over changes that benefit everyone except them like the people that hate the glam restriction changes. Call the majority of players entitled all you want but what they want matters more to square enix than what a fraction of old top 100 players want and the company is making the common sense business move of listening to the masses.

This is also a good move for the game's budget because the gear and mounts are already made. They are just locked behind an arbitrary restriction to access them. So all the effort/money used making the sets and mounts will not be wasted if they just turn the switch on that puts them back in the game as rewards. This also doesn't mean that new pvp rewards will NEVER be made again like some people think just because the feast rewards are coming back.

This may upset you personally, maybe even cause you to quit the game before you reach Dawntrail. But the benefit of adding them vastly outweigh the negatives whether you understand that or not. There are plenty of other MMOs that punish their players the way you want them to if that's what you're interested in.

OMG THIS THISS RIGHT HERE is a call to action. People stop acting like you hate the players like bruh we want to see growth you all who dont like growth really need to just leave. Like I dont get it. You hate proggress but complain there is no proggress....please stop doing that its annoying.

[Shipp]

OMG THIS THISS RIGHT HERE is a call to action. People stop acting like you hate the players like bruh we want to see growth you all who dont like growth really need to just leave. Like I dont get it. You hate proggress but complain there is no proggress....please stop doing that its annoying.

Just stop. The entire issue is that SE has gone back on their word. Stop painting this as some gatekeeping nonsense that we just don't want others to have the rewards. It isn't about that. I don't even have the feast rewards and agree that this is a move that makes SE's words worth less than dirt. It would be the exact same thing as SE suddenly handing out Legacy chocobos to players who didn't start in 1.0 and pay the sub when the game was in a poor state to show support to SE. It's utter BS.

[moodud]

(Same as unlocking job restriction for glams, I’m pretty sure SE just broke the emergency glass to try drawing people back to the game after massive number drop from the recent company financial report and they very unlikely did this out of kindness just because player feedbacks but oh well.)