We don't need them anymore.

[Araxes]

Throw them away. No on needs the old Veterans anymore. We have their money.

Or so it feels.

I played since shortly before Heavensward and spent much more time in the Game than i should have. I played every possible content back in those days when you had to level all Jobs for cross-skill and learn what does what.

My biggest passion was PvP and i was so damn happy when we got The Feast. I spent even more time in the Game, practiced, WORKED on my skill as a Healer. Scholar was the only Healer i had at Max Level and they were not that great in the first Seasons of The Feast.

Yet i kept going. From getting stomped to outhealing the then Rank 1 Whitemage and in the End earned my Top 100 Lone Wolf/Eaglebeak Set. I have worn it ever since because i worked so hard for it. Sure i switched every now and then but never could wear other stuff for long simply because of how much i worked for the Set.

Now it appears that the old RANKED Rewards are coming back as Replicas. (if Translations of the Live letter are true.) That would be the last straw for me. The Game has changed so much over time... there are so many features many don't even know existed and are now lost. I still held on. I never unsubbed but i don't play all that much CURRENTLY (due to time, seems i needed to point that out). If this is truly happening then that's pretty much it for me.

As someone supporting FFXIV for a bit over 10 years, this feels like i'm being robbed of the greatest accomplishment i ever achieved in the Game.

For now, this is just a discord Translation from a live Letter and i know how many will just dismiss what i say.. but to ME.. this mattered. If it comes true, i am gone.

If Yoshi P should read this (yeah as if that would happen) How many times can you go back on your Word before your Word means nothing?

Have a good day.


Edit: I just was told that the Replicas might not be dyable as it was with the Garo Replicas. If that is the Case, i can live with it i suppose.

[SalamanderIX]

Sorry to hear about it, i also had argued we don't really need these glamour that much. But it seems there's just so much demand for them.

Hopefully, they can name the items differently, so that you could still have some distinctions between the ones won back in the day, and newer ones exchanged for whatever PVP currency they add them to.
That way, at least everybody can be somewhat happy with things.

Nobody can really take away your accomplishment. People are going to mock ya for it, but you have a right to be mad. Just, know it's just the glamour, one you got to enjoy exclusively for many years!!

[Jeeqbit]

While I agree it robs people of what was advertised as a unique reward that few would ever have, I strongly believe it should never have been a unique reward like that. The whole "top 100" thing put people off PvP because they knew there wasn't much chance. Even if you did PvP all day and won a lot of matches it was hopeless really. And in this casual game, going all day without eating or sleeping properly isn't exactly the norm, but even doing that wasn't enough to get into the top 100.

So, the whole time that went on, I felt robbed of these rewards as I boycotted the concept of it, waiting for the day SE saw sense and made the system we have now.

I understand it doesn't feel good, but consider this: most of the rest of the game is no different. You work really hard to get that Savage mount, progging up through the floors. Only for a sprout to unsync it a few years later and get it without effort. You farm Extremes, doing all those mechanics 99+ times when they still require relative precision, only for someone to unsync it without thinking with their FC a few years later with a buffed drop rate. You work really hard to get some other mounts and minions just for Occult Crescent to hand them out like candy. Not to mention the mounts sold for moogle tomes.

How I deal with all my work going to waste like that is to just hold that moment in the time that it happened. To me, a title like that means something, even if the people doing it now don't see a meaning in it because they just unsynced it or get it handed to them by a moogle. And they are stories I can tell. Also, I have new rewards/meaningful things by the time that happens.

[Remarus]

In a large game like this, it should be expected the FOMO exclusivity is inevitably timed exclusivity. They will, almost certainly, be sold as "replicas" so your original pieces will continue to be unique without it being something people haven't had access to in nearly a decade.

[FuturePastNow]

In almost five years of playing this game, I have seen someone using a Feast mount twice. And I think I may have seen someone using one of the armor sets once, though I might have mistaken them for Law's Order. While I understand your feelings, the number of players actually still using and enjoying these rewards was a tiny group to begin with, and has dwindled down to near nonexistence. It's time to let others enjoy them too.

[Araxes]

While I agree it robs people of what was advertised as a unique reward that few would ever have, I strongly believe it should never have been a unique reward like that. The whole "top 100" thing put people off PvP because they knew there wasn't much chance. Even if you did PvP all day and won a lot of matches it was hopeless really. And in this casual game, going all day without eating or sleeping properly isn't exactly the norm, but even doing that wasn't enough to get into the top 100.

So, the whole time that went on, I felt robbed of these rewards as I boycotted the concept of it, waiting for the day SE saw sense and made the system we have now.

I understand it doesn't feel good, but consider this: most of the rest of the game is no different. You work really hard to get that Savage mount, progging up through the floors. Only for a sprout to unsync it a few years later and get it without effort. You farm Extremes, doing all those mechanics 99+ times when they still require relative precision, only for someone to unsync it without thinking with their FC a few years later with a buffed drop rate. You work really hard to get some other mounts and minions just for Occult Crescent to hand them out like candy. Not to mention the mounts sold for moogle tomes.

How I deal with all my work going to waste like that is to just hold that moment in the time that it happened. To me, a title like that means something, even if the people doing it now don't see a meaning in it because they just unsynced it or get it handed to them by a moogle. And they are stories I can tell. Also, I have new rewards/meaningful things by the time that happens.

The difference is that Savage rewards were never advertised as time Limited exclusive Rewards. The Ranked Rewards of the Feast were advertised as such. Yoshi P also repeatedly said they would never be available again. He went back on many things he said in the past but this is the last straw for me.

[Aidorouge]

I will never understand people who cry and scream over not having something be exclusively theirs in a game where the thing in question is a pile of pixels or polygons, where the "real world" value should be more in the personal accomplishment then whether or not you have a single soul to show it off to. Do you lament when there is no one to see your success in single-player games, or do you relish in the victory known only to you in that moment when "the end" or "fin" or "congratulations" flashed on your screen?

I've obtained a number of unique things over the years as well across various video games whether they were alpha/beta gifts, pre-order items, anniversary exclusive rewards, limited time collaborations, and all manner of things that could only be obtained by purchasing or playing in a panicked haze, with some of those things forever lost when the game they were attached to shut down, stopped working, or otherwise became inaccessible.

And every time, every goddamn time, it always annoyed me to own things nobody else could have to the point I didn't even like using or showcasing the items. There is absolutely nothing worse to me than telling another fellow player, a kin enjoyer of this great hobby "sorry, you can never have this" even though the only thing barring them from doing so is someone flicking on and off some code somewhere or god forbid re-releasing the game in a working matter for current audiences.

It's in large part why I STOPPED going after so many of those items, because it made me feel SHITTY, not happy, to own things nobody else could, where some dumb hat or trinket shouldn't be treated as "lost media" in a day and age where digitization is the closest thing we have to immortality of the creative.

Maybe if more people took game companies to task over FOMO we wouldn't get so much of it in the first place, where you, I, or others have to no longer agonize over the next digital goodie being stolen away from us, quite often due to things beyond our control because real life has a knack for interfering with our digital ones. Instead of being mad that Yoshi-P took something away, be madder that he gave you cause to feel that way in the first place, that he made you "work" in what was supposed to be your free time.

[Alicie]

What's the problem with more people having access to the item? It's not being taken away from you.

[hydralus]

Protip before you invest years of your life into a videogame: You are not owed nor entitled to a single thing just because you play a game for a long time.

[Valence]

I've always been very neutral about this subject and I say this as someone that also has top 100 Feast rewards. Neutral because at a personal level I cannot relate at all, because my mind cannot comprehend how someone else wearing it should affect my enjoyment of the reward, even though yes, I do use regularly my rewards because I like them visually - but that's the thing, I'm sitting on a gigantic pile of commendation crystals currently because I find the hellhound set visually displeasing, glow or no glow. But I do understand what amount of effort and skill it can require to access some of those rewards, and I can see how people that did (like I have) could feel betrayed by such a decision especially after being clearly told they were limited rewards, which makes the producer pass for a liar now.

I am actually curious what those replicas are going to be: visually identical or not? Will they add a "replica" in the item name for gear? And what about mounts?

While I agree it robs people of what was advertised as a unique reward that few would ever have, I strongly believe it should never have been a unique reward like that. The whole "top 100" thing put people off PvP because they knew there wasn't much chance. Even if you did PvP all day and won a lot of matches it was hopeless really. And in this casual game, going all day without eating or sleeping properly isn't exactly the norm, but even doing that wasn't enough to get into the top 100.

Did you play ranked Feast? It required time but depending on the seasons and their activity, it wasn't much of a stretch to reach top 100, quite frankly. Especially in Feast, because Feast had a high skill floor that required to learn how to play the damn mode and what to prepare for it (macros etc), but Feast also had little skill ceiling once you were past that hurdle and it made it incredibly easy to get past Gold and reach Diamond since most players below didn't do their homework.

Speaking as someone that does play ranked CC right now, I can tell you right now that the current season is absolutely dead and it's been the most cursed season ever since 6.1 and CC became a thing, and I'll tell you why: there is zero rewards or incentives for players to play. They burned themselves out on the last season for the new ultima ranks. That's how MMO players tick. I find it dumb, I don't understand it, but that's how they work. If people continue campaigning for the constant removal of exclusive pvp trophies, then you'll have to realize that you're literally killing ranked pvp period with that mentality. You can screech at MMO players for being what they are, but that won't change the fact that it is how it is.

So, the whole time that went on, I felt robbed of these rewards as I boycotted the concept of it, waiting for the day SE saw sense and made the system we have now.

Perhaps the true problem of back then is more that the mode actually lacked rewards beyond top 100 trophies, not that the top 100 trophies were out of your reach.
It still does lack those today, commendation crystals for example should be awarded as low as bronze for participation, with dramatic diminishing returns compared to higher ranks. And they should add more things behind those commendation crystals to get beyond the glowy hellhound set.

I understand it doesn't feel good, but consider this: most of the rest of the game is no different. You work really hard to get that Savage mount, progging up through the floors. Only for a sprout to unsync it a few years later and get it without effort. You farm Extremes, doing all those mechanics 99+ times when they still require relative precision, only for someone to unsync it without thinking with their FC a few years later with a buffed drop rate. You work really hard to get some other mounts and minions just for Occult Crescent to hand them out like candy. Not to mention the mounts sold for moogle tomes.

How I deal with all my work going to waste like that is to just hold that moment in the time that it happened. To me, a title like that means something, even if the people doing it now don't see a meaning in it because they just unsynced it or get it handed to them by a moogle. And they are stories I can tell. Also, I have new rewards/meaningful things by the time that happens.

That's a very fair point, but on the other hand perhaps this also stems from the fact that PvE has hundreds of rewards like those you mention. PvP doesn't. There has been less than 20 seasons of the Feast, which means less than 20 top ranking rewards (beyond the rank 1 trophy), and half of them were recoloured versions of the previous ones.
And one could bring up Ultimate rewards as a closer analogy, that cannot be unsynced years later like you say, or even criterion rewards (for those that aren't MB allowed). Heck, titles like necromancer and deep dungeon solo runs would also qualify. The only difference is that pvp rewards used to be time limited.