Quote Originally Posted by Heroman3003 View Post
As entirely 14 player who never played a single other FF game, there are three types of crossover content.

Type 1 is when it's obviously a crossover pandering that feels like a slog if you don't get any of the references.

Type 2 is when you can tell it's a crossover but it's integrated well into the existing storylines and enjoyable as the result.

Type 3 is when you are shocked to learn that it was NOT an FF14 original idea and actually came from another game.


For me, both Vanadiel and Ivalice fell into type 1. The enjoyability of both raid lines and their storylines hinges 100% on you knowing and enjoying the source material and if you're clueless in that regard, they're a tedious slog to sit through.
This is where I disagree with you. For the longest time, I've also been an FF14 player without ever giving a chance for other games. Yet Ivalice didn't struck me as Type 1 at all, but as Type 2.

Yes, it still was obvious that it was a collab, or a direct inspiration from another FF game, but it did try its best to not be an Alien the Nier raids were, and that's the most prime example of Type 1 in my opinion.

To this day, I still haven't played FFT. Yet I loved the Ivalice raids to the point I pushed myself to give a chance of FF12, which ended up with me spending over 170 hours into it.

On the other hand, I did play FF11 for a while, and agree with you that it's unfortunately under Type 1, even though I did understood the references because to me, Ivalice lore integration is the standard that all other collabs should follow.