Remove the middle barrier in dungeons.

[Feronar]

My main problem with dungeons in FF14 is how formulaic and same-y they are. Sure, they may be visually diverse and pleasing to look at, and the boss fights are usually fun and diverse, but the core gameplay loop is always:

* Clear trash to first barrier
* Clear trash to first boss
* Kill first boss
* Clear trash to second barrier
* Clear trash to second boss
* Kill second boss
* Clear trash to third barrier
* Clear trash to third boss
* Kill third boss

Contrast that with the dungeons in WoW, which have far more diversity in their gameplay. Layouts are far more varied, and require you to be strategic in how you approach them. Even the trash has special mechanics that you have to handle, and more fun and interesting to deal with.

Full disclosure, I am an active mythic+ dungeon player in WoW, and I have timed +10 keys in all dungeons in the current season.

[Valence]

OK, we need to stop laying blame at the feet of players for this. There is no reason to go through them and that lays completely on SE, not the players. There is no loot that is worth it nor do enemies yield exp anymore and those were the only 2 things dungeons used to have going for them. If SE would actually try to be creative and give us incentive to in these off areas, we wouldn't have these issues. We don't need "quirks" we need incentive. There has never been a reason to go into the side rooms of sastasha, and that is no ones fault but the ppl behind the desks at SE because they should have, on day 1, asked themselve "but why would the players want to go into these rooms?"

Yes, although there used to be a reason to go to side room which was mob xp. This conflicted with roulette players that were potentially running very low level dungeons comparatively to their true job level, and only the roulette rewards made said dungeons worthwhile. This meant that the only objective for roulette players was completion in the fastest time possible, unlike for someone running said dungeon at their actual job level that would greatly benefit from additional mob xp from side rooms.

In their usual fashion SE decided in ShB to remove all mob xp and condense it behind bosses and checkpoints instead of actually addressing the issue: they could perfectly have had the leveling roulette also make up for individual mob xp rewards by adding a multiplier, much like it already does for the roulette completion. Now of course all those additional rooms have been made truly worthless, and are just there to taunt first timers that might run into them by mistake.

[Blindheart]

They should add mobs in different packs that if they get close together they start summoning bombs and cactaurs and tonberrys that do insane damage. So if you want the challenge of pulling everything then you can get everything and then some. Then you’ll be happy for them to be split up

[Reimmi]

They should add mobs in different packs that if they get close together they start summoning bombs and cactaurs and tonberrys that do insane damage. So if you want the challenge of pulling everything then you can get everything and then some. Then you’ll be happy for them to be split up

I would welcome the challenge!

[MsMisato]

forgetting how slow duty support npcs are currently. they would be even slower for those that utilize them lol.

[Rithy255]

forgetting how slow duty support npcs are currently. they would be even slower for those that utilize them lol.

Good duty support should not be good, they should take very slow.

This is a MMO not a single player game, encouraging people do only solo everything isn't a good idea.

[Aidorouge]

This is a MMO not a single player game, encouraging people do only solo everything isn't a good idea.

When one is on a low population data center like Dynamis, Chaos, and Materia you don't really have a choice but to solo a lot of things sometimes, especially when its something blocking MSQ progress.