Solo/Alt FCs with Housing are a Problem, and this FC "Housing Deniers" Proves It

[Avoidy]

Subs shouldn't even exist, and I'm saying that as someone who's leveling subs right now. Don't hate the player; hate the game. This shit is stupid. Anything that lets players print money is stupid. Obviously people would exploit this stuff, and here it is: now people who want homes can't get homes because they're hogged by folks who took the plot so they could use it to print money. Nothing will be done either, because housing is directly linked to the paid subscription. You stay subbed to keep your money printing house. If the money printing part goes away, people might not feel compelled to stay subbed anymore, so the money printer stays. Cue submarine chads from across the land coming in here to downplay the power of their money printers; each of them will act like this thing they spent 6 months setting up that lets them create gil from nothing without even using the marketboard or engaging with the game's horrible economy is "actually not a big deal at all" lmao. Every submarine thread is the same. I hate to sound like that guy right now, but if you just want a house, give up and just go to dynamis (edit, just saw you're on eu, nvm) assuming it isn't hollowed out with bots yet. The housing scene is cooked.

[MikeCake]

The houses that do this even without saying it in the name are a problem too though. Going to break this down slowly.

Housing should be for people who want to own and use a house, as a house, for community reasons.
Friends, venues, fcs, player made events, personal decoration, etc.
Housing should not be for farming gil all alone with 2 clicks and 1 cutscene. It should not be for farming gil at all.

It is ok to farm gil.
But to mix these two means that people who want a house can not get a house because people who only want gil are taking up houses only for gil.
Players that want a house are locked away from housing by players who do not want a house.
Do you get it now? That is the core issue.
The player who uses the house for sub gil does not want a house. They want the sub gil.
Are there people who want both? Yes. However, far too many people just want the gil and do not want the house.
This directly leads to less people having a house, because more people want just the "free" gil.
Again, so, because some people only want the gil and do not want to use the house, people who want the house cannot get the house.

With how housing is designed in this game, that will always be a problem.
Even if the FC's didnt have sub, the ones who lose on the bid will always complain, sure I do agree FC's shouldn't have more than 1 house per FC and per player.
But the devs allow this to happen, and they will not change it simply cause it locks the player to stay subbed for their housing.

"That will lead to less people having houses" Yes, and that is the intention. Only the people who actually want the house for the house, should have the house. "but that wont be many" and that is fine. That would mean people could easily get houses with no issues anymore.

Your suggestion hurts the players who aren't hoarding houses as well. And yes, anyone who is frustrated because they lost a bid will naturally be biased.
Look clearly at what the problem is, its not the community, but the system built around that allows this behavior, and are the devs open to make changes to this system, probably not.
Cause at the end of the day if they made some changes people who didn't grief or hoard housing will lose their submarines and their progress on them.
"Friends, venues, fcs, player made events, personal decoration, etc."
All these categories still make profits from their submarines, and would be affected by the changes OP is proposing.

If the "fix" isn't fair I don't think SE should even implement it just for the sake of "equality", which isn't even equal to all players lol.

[BlisteringFrost]

Subs shouldn't even exist, and I'm saying that as someone who's leveling subs right now. Don't hate the player; hate the game. This shit is stupid. Anything that lets players print money is stupid. Obviously people would exploit this stuff, and here it is: now people who want homes can't get homes because they're hogged by folks who took the plot so they could use it to print money. Nothing will be done either, because housing is directly linked to the paid subscription. You stay subbed to keep your money printing house. If the money printing part goes away, people might not feel compelled to stay subbed anymore, so the money printer stays. Cue submarine chads from across the land coming in here to downplay the power of their money printers; each of them will act like this thing they spent 6 months setting up that lets them create gil from nothing without even using the marketboard or engaging with the game's horrible economy is "actually not a big deal at all" lmao. Every submarine thread is the same. I hate to sound like that guy right now, but if you just want a house, give up and just go to dynamis (edit, just saw you're on eu, nvm) assuming it isn't hollowed out with bots yet. The housing scene is cooked.

Subs should just be an unlock from your Grand Company. We got a whole other room in all 3 of them we can't enter.....

[MayuAmakura]

There is a reason why I tell everyone to make their own FC and use subs for money. There's absolutely no reason to enter someone's FC when you get no benefit from that. Zero benefit and leader is just going to get free money anyways. You can still raid with that FC even if you aren't with them.

I made this choice and having your own thing is just afk money builder. I don't think destroying this would be a good idea. But sure pushing it to somewhere else but not in houses is alright. SE made this stupid idea and thus allowed people to have all houses or districts. I was lucky enough to win a large house after many failures. SE said "we will fix it dw" but they forgot about it and will be "8.0 i promise guys".

[Nyastra]

Artificial Scarcity

[NaoSen]

Just remove workshops from being tied to Housing completely and let them be a privilege for max ranking your GC.

Anyone who goes and says "But the economy", gil making methods should not be gatekept which in their current form they are.

[Erzaa]

Just remove workshops from being tied to Housing completely and let them be a privilege for max ranking your GC.

Anyone who goes and says "But the economy", gil making methods should not be gatekept which in their current form they are.

While I agree with the sentiment that Housing should be decoupled from Workshops, that won't solve gil making methods being gatekept.

How many items from Chaotic, or Quantum, are being sold for millions upon millions because the content isn't being or can't be cleared by everyone? What about maps being so RNG focused that you can sell a can of fizzy drink for 30k each? Or rare mats and glams for millions because you happened to roll well that day and won the gambling game? How much is the Monster Hunter EX mount? What about the 200 token crafting mounts? Or the long 4000 FATE farm rewards like the wings?

That's also a form of gatekeeping.

In fact, with the recent changes where so many things are locked behind high end content, impossibly long and tedious grinds or just pure roll of the dice and the only additional option being spending gil, I imagine the gatekeeping is going to get worse, not better.

[Erzaa]

Amusingly, a lot of those items cost more than houses, even Larges for the highest-end items. Which creates this vicious cycle of possibly needing at least a Small FC house with an upfront cost of a few million gil to make even MORE gil down the road so you can get the items that cost more than the Small house did.

Yes, that's true. But decoupling the workshops is beneficial for people who want a house, since gil farmers no longer need to hoard them, it won't stop gatekeeping gil farming.

If they decouple workshops from housing, then either workshops become available to all players through GC or the FC. If it's the FC, it will be gatekept by the FC leaders, and also still create smaller FCs who will just farm gil at an even higher rate. If it becomes available to all, it'll just mean everyone now has subs. Fight club will then cause an even bigger gil inflation and those prices will end up going up even more.

And people who like to farm gil and have the time, will just find other avenues to increase their gil and cause prices to be raised.

Decouple workshops from housing is a good idea because it'll make houses more available to people who want houses. It's a good idea. But it's not going to stop gil from being hoarded by the few.

[Myotis]

Oh definitely, I said as much earlier that workshops need to be removed from FCs (thus removing the need for gil farmers to hoard houses) AND that gil farming should be removed (or at least greatly reduced) from said workshops, making it more personally beneficial (and hopefully fun) in other ways that doesn't just outright drop infinite money in somebody's lap once the option to have workshops becomes available to everyone.

one fleet per whole account and thats it the issue will be greatly reduced.
it's still nice income for legit fc's and their events and so on.

[Myotis]

Just farm gil via submarines yourself, problem solved

nothing is solved as the gil is being inflated futher this system has massive flaws yet good intentions it should be nerfed already.
our economy is in a such poor state new players have a massive hard time