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    Quote Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia View Post
    Someone made a really long video on this theory months ago and it was a fairly good watch. They compiled all the little lore bits and hints to show she is out there biding her time and seems to be an even bigger threat than Hydaelyn was when she was at full power. And she split a world into 14 pieces and commited mass geno on all species of Etheirys. So they could do a lot of fun things with her.
    Oh for the love of... I thought we'd moved on from this nonsense? Venat was right to sunder the world because the Convocation were just going to keep sacrificing more and more of the remaining Ancients and other life to Zodiark without any resolution and would have eventually ran out of sacrifices to do so, with Meteion's Song of Oblivion still threatening the universe, something they were powerless to stop without being able to directly interact with Dynamis. And Venat was the only one who realized this. Faced with this, Sundering the world was literally, the least abhorrent choice (and lets face it, if she hadn't, there would be no you), end of story.

    As for the OP, given Ultima's whole connection to the Ivalice raids, that would kind of end up requiring SE to mandate completion of those raids just to make sense with any hypothetical introduction of her into the main scenario, and, well, given the last time SE mandated a raid series was required for the main scenario did not go down well with players (Crystal Tower for Shadowbringers), I don't see SE repeating that. Ultima's appearence during Pandaemonium was merely a callback to earlier in the game that Endwalker was already full of, it was not reflective really of her being pushed into a bigger role (and besides, do we really need yet another dull 'From Outer Space!' threat?).
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    Last edited by Enkidoh; 10-04-2025 at 02:12 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rannie View Post
    Aaaaannnd now I just had a mental image of Lahabrea walking into a store called Bodies R Us and trying on different humans.... >.<

    Lahabrea: hn too tall... tooo short.... Juuuuuust right.
    Venat was right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enkidoh View Post
    As for the OP, given Ultima's whole connection to the Ivalice raids, that would kind of end up requiring SE to mandate completion of those raids just to make sense with any hypothetical introduction of her into the main scenario, and, well, given the last time SE mandated a raid series was required for the main scenario did not go down well with players (Crystal Tower for Shadowbringers), I don't see SE repeating that. Ultima's appearence during Pandaemonium was merely a callback to earlier in the game that Endwalker was already full of, it was not reflective really of her being pushed into a bigger role (and besides, do we really need yet another dull 'From Outer Space!' threat?).
    A bit of an elephant in the room, but if we expect to uncover the rest of Ilsabard in a future expansion, we're going to have to tackle Ivalice lore in the MSQ somehow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enkidoh View Post
    Oh for the love of... I thought we'd moved on from this nonsense?
    Nope. If you don't want to hear opposing viewpoints and only high praise for the writing, go to the main reddit page. I will stand firm, always, that Hydaelyn was a genocidal villain and this game is a good example of how easy it is to convince ppl that complete eradication of not only one, but multiple species, by one person who took it upon themselves and refused to even consult anyone else about, is a good thing. If they wanted to make her sympathetic or that her actions were not only just but necessary, they needed waaaaaaaaaaay better writers and more than one expansion for that.

    And also "no me?" lol that is just one of the many things you said that is just plain wrong. I am Azem, therefore I would exist, in my original unbroken form, happily traveling around solving problems, like I do now. Also sacrifices were voluntary and done in a way that all who were sacrificed could be restored. And sure the sundering was a good solution when the problem of metion and her sisters was an unknown, but as soon as we not only discovered this information, but relayed it to her and a few others, the problem was known, and if a bunch of broken shards could solve it, sorry if 1 broken shard could solve the problem, I am sure millions of unsundered ascians would have had no issues. They would have been a minor annoyance at best. But a true villain is the one who withheld all the information and decided to sunder her world and every single plant and animal on it because she felt she was right after meeting only 1 of those shards for an hour at best. Emet also felt what he was doing was right, and you have no problems calling him a villain. And his actions were also restorative, even if he had to cause pain. Sort of like when you have to rebreak a bone for it to heal correctly. It hurts like crazy, but in the end its the only thing that will make the bone whole again.

    And one last thing, ppl can interprit things differently, some with media literacy some without, but we are not the ones who are still to this day having fits and get irritated when we hear casual opposing views about the EW storyline.
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    Last edited by MicahZerrshia; 10-06-2025 at 09:28 AM.