"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

[Xurtan]

Ngl, regardless of whether I'm tank, healer, or DPS I'm usually rushing ahead. Dungeons are boring as hell. The pre-50 ones with the really long pulls and healers having fewer skills at that level, okay, sure, don't W2W if you're not sure of it. But after they settled into the dungeons literally being designed to wall to wall? There's no excuses, tbh. At 100 you'd have to be actively trying to not pop any mits as a tank to die. If it's a WAR especially I don't even bother healing at all, because why would I when their natural rotation just keeps them spiked to full? Even DPS have tools to keep up a bit, certainly beyond long enough to have a tank pick things up. Aggro barely exists, resources barely exist. Just get to the wall ASAP to clear and get out of the dungeon. Anything over fifteen minutes just becomes a slog.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Just report griefing tanks with this mentality and one day they will learn.

[BlisteringFrost]

Ngl, regardless of whether I'm tank, healer, or DPS I'm usually rushing ahead. Dungeons are boring as hell. The pre-50 ones with the really long pulls and healers having fewer skills at that level, okay, sure, don't W2W if you're not sure of it. But after they settled into the dungeons literally being designed to wall to wall? There's no excuses, tbh. At 100 you'd have to be actively trying to not pop any mits as a tank to die. If it's a WAR especially I don't even bother healing at all, because why would I when their natural rotation just keeps them spiked to full? Even DPS have tools to keep up a bit, certainly beyond long enough to have a tank pick things up. Aggro barely exists, resources barely exist. Just get to the wall ASAP to clear and get out of the dungeon. Anything over fifteen minutes just becomes a slog.

Sounds like another game might be better for you.

[jesseleewelch]

Just report griefing tanks with this mentality and one day they will learn.

I don't think its the tanks that are griefing. It's the nontank pullers.

[TBerry]

The biggest reason you see it in this game is the fact that nothing in a normal dungeon is a real threat to anyone, some dps jobs tank better than others but if there's a healer paying attention then your risk of death even pulling W2W as a VPR is zero. It's also the reason why healers in this game are miserable, nothing is a threat to anyone so we don't have a job but that's a side tangent.

For the thread though, I've seen a few YPYT tanks in my four to five years playing and the first time rather than "punishing the dps" all it did was make my life harder for no reason and we wiped because I wasn't paying attention on account of the tank being WAR in late EW content. The second time was kinda funny because in the roulette after I saw that same tank player as a dps and HE was pulling before the tank.

I mean what better way to compensate for your loss of ego boost than pulling as a DPS?

[Crafoutis]

Just report griefing tanks with this mentality and one day they will learn.

I guarantee you if you repeatedly report tanks for being slow, you will get an account penalty.

And if not yet, just give it some time now that you've posted this opinion.

[Supersnow845]

The only thing that’s reportable is YPYT as that’s considered MPK

You won’t get a warning for pulling as a DPS because the tank has an ego nor will you get a warning for reporting the tank because they don’t know what the sprint button is

But YPYT is 100% actionable because it’s direct MPK

[BlisteringFrost]

The only thing that’s reportable is YPYT as that’s considered MPK

You won’t get a warning for pulling as a DPS because the tank has an ego nor will you get a warning for reporting the tank because they don’t know what the sprint button is

But YPYT is 100% actionable because it’s direct MPK

They have to openly admit that's their intent is your first problem. If you bring up "they didn't have stance on" SE has to automatically assume good faith and think they probably just might've forgotten, or even accidently turned it off.

[Supersnow845]

Square can read the combat logs, if everyone is relatively normal then suddenly after a DPS pulls stance disappears and the tank doesn’t do anything; especially if the DPS says “hey can you please pull the mobs off me” and nothing gets done then it’s hard to construe that as anything besides intentional retaliation

Okay what if the tank DC’ed or is actually just that incompetent? Well if they are then the DPS dying to the mobs won’t be followed by the tank immediately taking agro back and saving everyone else or giving a Lecture about how they are the only one who can pull

Square aren’t vampires, they don’t need to be invited in to give warnings, YPYT is very easy to distinguish from just a really really incompetent tank or an accident

[BlisteringFrost]

Square can read the combat logs, if everyone is relatively normal then suddenly after a DPS pulls stance disappears and the tank doesn’t do anything; especially if the DPS says “hey can you please pull the mobs off me” and nothing gets done then it’s hard to construe that as anything besides intentional retaliation

Okay what if the tank DC’ed or is actually just that incompetent? Well if they are then the DPS dying to the mobs won’t be followed by the tank immediately taking agro back and saving everyone else or giving a Lecture about how they are the only one who can pull

Square aren’t vampires, they don’t need to be invited in to give warnings, YPYT is very easy to distinguish from just a really really incompetent tank or an accident

They have to assume it was accidentally turned off because there's no proof of intent. Did we just ignore this part????