"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

[Frizze]

arent 120 pages enough to proof we wont ever come to one conclusion everyone agrees on?

Im not going to agree to that! Thats it, 120 more pages!

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

arent 120 pages enough to proof we wont ever come to one conclusion everyone agrees on?

Im not going to agree to that! Thats it, 120 more pages!

At this point I just chalk it up to player boredom lol.

[syldon]

NGL I don't follow the logic here. The sentiment displayed in this phrase is an admission to how easy to do said job, it's just pure ego reigning supreme here which prevents that from happening.

Wouldn't it be more logical to have such visceral response if the offending act has more dire consequences?

So you think the logical solution is to pander to the problem. I have to differ in my opinion, the way to fix the problem is to:
first: let them know it is an issue. I fully understand not every one understands MMOs.
Second: Let them see just how much quicker it goes when they behave.

That is not some ad hoc visceral response; it is pure logic on social mechanics.

Would I be doing it if it caused a wipe every time, yep, most certainly. In fact that would only encourage me more. I get saddened when I see the healer keeping these trolls alive. The more consequences to their actions the better. Although the burning question has to be, would people still be trolling in this fashion if they knew that every tank would take this stance. I think I know where my money would go.

[VeyaAkemi]

Causing someone to die for any reason other than strictly "I will die if I attempt to handle any more mobs than I am currently" is what is trolling, I will always heal a DPS pulling, because they are right.

[syldon]

Causing someone to die for any reason other than strictly "I will die if I attempt to handle any more mobs than I am currently" is what is trolling, I will always heal a DPS pulling, because they are right.

That would be your call. I have never gave any player grief for keeping a troll dps alive. But since your search link is hidden. Do you actually have a healing class? Or is this just an excuse to push the narrative because it is something that you are guilty of also?

[VeyaAkemi]

That would be your call. I have never gave any player grief for keeping a troll dps alive. But since your search link is hidden. Do you actually have a healing class? Or is this just an excuse to push the narrative because it is something that you are guilty of also?

I play every role, I have every Job at 100 and Scholar is my main healer, and I do different roulettes as different roles, based on que times or how I am feeling each day, this is something you can easily see in my Lodestone page, which is not private, I just double checked as much, and my character name and world server are clearly visible under my name. Please don't make baseless accusations that can be absurdly easily disproved.

I tank as well by the way, as Paladin primarily, the way I see it, if the DPS was able to pull ahead, it's skill issue from my part, means there was room for me to move faster.

[syldon]

I play every role, I have every Job at 100 and Scholar is my main healer, and I do different roulettes as different roles, based on que times or how I am feeling each day, this is something you can easily see in my Lodestone page, which is not private, I just double checked as much, and my character name and world server are clearly visible under my name. Please don't make baseless accusations that can be absurdly easily disproved.

I tank as well by the way, as Paladin primarily, the way I see it, if the DPS was able to pull ahead, it's skill issue from my part, means there was room for me to move faster.

Then it is best we agree to disagree. Nothing you are saying is changing my mind. The idea that DPS can dictate the pace is ludicrous to me, and if you do it when I am tanking then you only have yourself to blame.

[VeyaAkemi]

Okay wanna know what this boils down to, to me? the simple fact that, barring exceptional circumstances like that lavish last pull in Mt. Gulg, going as fast as one can is easy, it's easy at 50, it only gets easier as the time goes on, I wouldn't have this standard if every pull was Mt. Gulg, but it isn't like that, even ARR leveling dungeons aren't like that if your Healer knows what you are about.

Now, there are things to respect, I am not going to expect a Gladiator in Haukke to be pulling wtw, I feel they should be encouraged to try, and even if they wipe, you can't learn to ride a bike without scraping your knees a few tim, or if they are just moving through the MSQ and their gear clearly is meeting the bare minimum for the dungeon, but I feel very strongly that if someone's gear outlevels the content they are in by 30+, maybe some expectations are fair.

I will also add that there should be expectations all around, a Healer that is constantly Freecure fishing and never AoEs, or a DPS that is constantly at the bottom of the enmity list and has visibly put no effort into learning the ins and outs of the job they are playing, should be equally called out, the focus exists on Tanks because their way of slacking is much more visible.

[syldon]

These are two different issues. A good tank will give pace while staying alive. This post is about dps deciding they should pull for the tank. My opinion that it is not a way to speed the run up. It takes 2-3 GCDs to capture those mobs back as they spread out. It is one thing complaining that some tanks are slow and another giving credence that DPS should be the ones dictating the pace. Even with a slow tank I would never pull for him. The dungeon lasts 20 minutes at worst. Is it really so hard to be courteous for that length of time?

[theunhappypotato]

These are two different issues. A good tank will give pace while staying alive. This post is about dps deciding they should pull for the tank. My opinion that it is not a way to speed the run up. It takes 2-3 GCDs to capture those mobs back as they spread out. It is one thing complaining that some tanks are slow and another giving credence that DPS should be the ones dictating the pace. Even with a slow tank I would never pull for him. The dungeon lasts 20 minutes at worst. Is it really so hard to be courteous for that length of time?

if u need 2-3 GCD's to get aggro of some mobs you're prolly undergeared asf