Limit housing bids for FCs

[BloodiedTongues]

The assumption that an FC with 100 members automatically has 100 potential bids is a major misconception.
In reality, most FCs only have a small group of truly active “core” members, in which often just a dozen or so.
At best, you’ll get a handful of bids from this core group.

Many of the other members either aren’t interested in housing, don’t participate in bidding, or simply lack the gills to contribute.
On top of that, if a core member already owns an FC plot on an alternate character, they are not eligible to place another bid.
When people lose a lottery, they often look at the winning FC’s roster and assume every member participated, but that’s just judging from the surface.
Large plots usually attract more than 100 bids, so this misconception that FC size equals bid power is really far off the mark.

I mean, not really? Granted, I am in a congested world, but I see up to 20+ people from one FC all go bid on a plot each bidding period, so it isn't exactly out of the question. It's not a misconception as it does happen pretty often enough

[Divinemights]

I mean, not really? Granted, I am in a congested world, but I see up to 20+ people from one FC all go bid on a plot each bidding period, so it isn't exactly out of the question. It's not a misconception as it does happen pretty often enough

I’m not sure if you’re aware of the holes in your argument.
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but housing bids are completely anonymous
You don’t see the names of who actually placed bids.
So how do you know that “20+ from one FC” are all bidding on plots each period?

If that really gave an advantage, as you claim, then why is that same FC still bidding every single period?
From my perspective, it seems like you’re just assuming that every member of a large FC participates simply because they have a big roster; unless you can present evidence that I might not be aware of.

[BloodiedTongues]

I’m not sure if you’re aware of the holes in your argument.
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but housing bids are completely anonymous
You don’t see the names of who actually placed bids.
So how do you know that “20+ from one FC” are all bidding on plots each period?

If that really gave an advantage, as you claim, then why is that same FC still bidding every single period?
From my perspective, it seems like you’re just assuming that every member of a large FC participates simply because they have a big roster; unless you can present evidence that I might not be aware of.

No, I don’t see the names of who bids, but when said FC is there in a large group, all going up to the sign, targeting it then leaving as the bid numbers go up, it’s safe to assume that they are bidding with said large group. I’ve stated in multiple previous comments that free companies can and will just bid on a different house if they want to move, there are many. FCs across data centres that do this.

I’m also not saying it’s one FC that does this all the time, it’s multiple that do it.

[Burmecia]

I mean, not really? Granted, I am in a congested world, but I see up to 20+ people from one FC all go bid on a plot each bidding period, so it isn't exactly out of the question.

intimidation tactics. FC X's people swarming the placard? oh, surely i won't have a chance now...
when in reality just handful of them are writing tickets in.

[Axl-Lalafell]

%100000 agree with you. However, I knew a person with 30 alts and at least 999m gil buy 15 large houses within 2 bidding cycles. A fair chance would be giving every player a chance to buy the house of their choice, albeit a large, mid or small; for an FC or Private house and then place it together assigned to a new area with others. That isn't very feasible on server data or practicality. But that would be the fairest way.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

One person having gil cap hardly matters. There are very few people with that amount of gil. And I don't see the problem with a wealthy person giving fc members gil to bid for their fc. They have to trust that person or it won't work.

Many fcs jus have a handful of people bid at most.

[JoyfulSong]

They are being dishonest then, 25-30 people bidding against 'smaller FC's' and losing? For months? How small are these FC's? 4 people? 20 people?

They're either being hyperbolic or they're lying, it's one of the two.

Well golly, it's a good thing I keep receipts, huh? We got our medium last year. Let's walk down memory lane, shall we?




And that's not including the one we just lost this morning by one digit on Shirogane 29, 16 to – surprise surprise, another 10 man FC.

These are just the ones we tracked, btw. And that's assuming there's even a large dropping at all. Which most of the time...there isn't. Or it's a personal. I'm sorry I don't agree that an FC with 10 people should get a large because they got lucky over the group of 50-60 people that worked tirelessly only to continue to get shafted by RNG nearly every week. A *year* of meticulously tracking who has what gil, where it went, how much we need, if everybody put it back correctly. Over. And Over. And Over.

The MOST actual, LITERAL gil cap will get you is 25 tickets. That is, at MOST, at 25% chance to get it, as there's bids of literal hundreds. The HIGHEST percentage chance we've ever had was 31% And you're out here getting onto 50+ man FCs putting in bids when Ward 12 of the Goblet on this server is owned by two people? Dafuq outta here with that.

[Infindox]

I'm sorry I don't agree that an FC with 10 people should get a large because they got lucky over the group of 50-60 people that worked tirelessly only to continue to get shafted by RNG nearly every week. A *year* of meticulously tracking who has what gil, where it went, how much we need, if everybody put it back correctly. Over. And Over. And Over.

All FCs should have a chance to have whatever size they want. I have a smaller FC and have a large in Ishgard when they were new, we won with 3 others bidding becides us, and the other three were other small-ish FCs. Do we not deserve the house just because we don't have as many people?
I sincerely hope that your FC can get a large eventually, just don't be bitter towards other groups that are just doing the same thing you are doing. (I will agree to the fact that I think FCs should only be permitted 1 entry per house, however, regardless of size)

[Shistar]

I'm sorry I don't agree that an FC with 10 people should get a large because they got lucky over the group of 50-60 people that worked tirelessly only to continue to get shafted by RNG nearly every week.

I feel your struggle. It's tough out there, but as the playerbase wanes right before a patch it's a great time to check for any upgrades you can bid on. Congratulations on your medium!

However, it's not the 10-person FC's fault that you lost. The lottery is completely equal chance for everyone, and your FC is already allowed to tip the odds in their favor as much as possible by introducing multiple bids. A personal estate bid in a mixed ward is by far the one at the most disadvantage.

I won't say the system is perfect, or even good, but it is fair.
Everyone is allowed equal chance, and until SE gives us a more permanent solution such as instanced housing or expanded neighborhoods, this system is by far the least predatory iteration they've made.
No rushing needed, no putting your health at risk clicking away the hours at a placard, no unfairness related to buying a fresh plot vs. relocating. So I'll give credit where credit is due, this system gets the job done. Now they just need to tackle the medium and large scarcity (which I believe Tardis housing should help alleviate, but won't fix completely)

[Solowing]

I feel your struggle. It's tough out there, but as the playerbase wanes right before a patch it's a great time to check for any upgrades you can bid on. Congratulations on your medium!

However, it's not the 10-person FC's fault that you lost. The lottery is completely equal chance for everyone, and your FC is already allowed to tip the odds in their favor as much as possible by introducing multiple bids. A personal estate bid in a mixed ward is by far the one at the most disadvantage.

I won't say the system is perfect, or even good, but it is fair.
Everyone is allowed equal chance, and until SE gives us a more permanent solution such as instanced housing or expanded neighborhoods, this system is by far the least predatory iteration they've made.
No rushing needed, no putting your health at risk clicking away the hours at a placard, no unfairness related to buying a fresh plot vs. relocating. So I'll give credit where credit is due, this system gets the job done. Now they just need to tackle the medium and large scarcity (which I believe Tardis housing should help alleviate, but won't fix completely)

I noticed everyone asked for the lottery system because it was fair, but when they got it, now players started requesting ways to stack the odds in their favor. Everyone loves fair, when they think it works in their favor.