RE: Sage Design

[Carighan]

Quality over quantity, I'd say.

• Sure they have Toxikon II, but they are treated very similarly as Ruin II/Lily management and thus isn't part of a SGE's routine.

I mean, that a movement ability is used for movement sounds smart design to me? A big issue of most DPS jobs is how they use their movement tools rotationally instead of for movement ,after all.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I mean, that a movement ability is used for movement sounds smart design to me? A big issue of most DPS jobs is how they use their movement tools rotationally instead of for movement ,after all.

Mobility tools that are tied to GCDs will always have secondary values attached to them, i.e. weaving. If Toxikon II exists in a world where we never received Trashologification to our filler spells, then they would have significantly more inherent value and I'd have less issue with them.

We have seen how this happened to early EW WHM. The moment our filler became 1.5s without Lily adjustments (except the 20s part, I think they should've stayed 30s), people become more inclined to avoid them than not, thus giving birth to the early EW WHM 'mana issue'. The difference was WHM didn't had the absurd HPS from the rest of their kits to offset the avoidance of Lily spells unlike SGE's bloated oGCDs, which 4 of them also encourages you to use them. But because I can already do that anyway with 1.5s cast time, that also means I'll be pressing more 1 2 1 1 1 1 while trying to minimize Toxikon II usage - one from my already small list of DPS options.

I want to be incentivized to press less of 1 2 1 1 1, not discouraged.

Now if (general) you do really need Toxikon II that much as a mobility tool, be my guess I suppose. But when that day arrives, are we still a spellcaster if we need that much of a mobility?