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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    If every alliance raid gave the same amount of aether why would anyone stay on TAPB if they could drop to do CT in a third of the time
    For the same reason people intentionally queue for specific duties: to play them. Just because you or other people leave long alliance raid does not mean the vast majority does. Believe it or not there are people out there who want to experience something other than CT, and you know what? If this step had given people open options to queue for whatever raids they wanted to do and clearly listed the rewards, that would give players the OPTION and the CHOICE to do whatever they want, instead of punishing players for having bad luck in the roulette.
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by tank2fish View Post
    For the same reason people intentionally queue for specific duties: to play them. Just because you or other people leave long alliance raid does not mean the vast majority does. Believe it or not there are people out there who want to experience something other than CT, and you know what? If this step had given people open options to queue for whatever raids they wanted to do and clearly listed the rewards, that would give players the OPTION and the CHOICE to do whatever they want, instead of punishing players for having bad luck in the roulette.
    I don’t leave the roulette don’t put words in my mouth, I’m the one who laughs at people who leave nier raids in alliance chat and leaves CT to give others a free out

    I’m saying that providing the same reward for duties of vastly different length when the roulette is already biased is not the answer

    They should have made the wells fill with any duty on the roulette, not do the roulette itself, I’d just sit in the queue for monastery and tower so I never had to see crystal tower
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I don’t leave the roulette don’t put words in my mouth, I’m the one who laughs at people who leave nier raids in alliance chat and leaves CT to give others a free out

    I’m saying that providing the same reward for duties of vastly different length when the roulette is already biased is not the answer

    They should have made the wells fill with any duty on the roulette, not do the roulette itself, I’d just sit in the queue for monastery and tower so I never had to see crystal tower
    Alright sorry, that's my mistake.
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    You're not being punished for being queued to low level content, you get a bonus for being queued to high level content which is "harder" in general.
    This encourages player to queue with lvl100 job and high item level and discourage queue pool manipulation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I don’t leave the roulette don’t put words in my mouth, I’m the one who laughs at people who leave nier raids in alliance chat and leaves CT to give others a free out

    I’m saying that providing the same reward for duties of vastly different length when the roulette is already biased is not the answer

    They should have made the wells fill with any duty on the roulette, not do the roulette itself, I’d just sit in the queue for monastery and tower so I never had to see crystal tower
    the whole point of the well is to populate roulettes.
    and the whole point of roulettes is to populate every content(mainly low level content) to help newer players.
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    Last edited by Renaclock; 09-08-2025 at 08:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renaclock View Post
    the whole point of the well is to populate roulettes.
    and the whole point of roulettes is to populate every content(mainly low level content) to help newer players.
    And by and large biased roulettes like the alliance roulette utterly fail this because the barrier to not default to CT is too high

    You have to find 24 players that have a higher alliance raid unlocked, are at a level where they can queue into it, are queueing at the same time and aren’t competing with too many people who are also in the roulette only able to pop CT

    You can even notice this when you queue for rare alliance raids at off hours, eventually the raid may pop but someone is either AFK or backs out. Then maybe it pops again. Someone backs out again. Then it won’t pop again for hours. Because the roulette at that point decided to take the path of least resistance and dump most of those people who weren’t directly queuing into the path of least resistance- CT

    The normal raid roulette suffers from this as well but the roulettes are so biased that they barely even serve their function and the alliance raid definitively does not
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess