DRK feels super squish in comparison to the other tanks

[Supersnow845]

As a SCH main you know that barriers are healing.

Barriers being HPS in a functional sense does not mean they can be considered direct equivalent to raw HPS when discussing a tank’s mitigations

A 20% barrier and a HP increase (something like great nebula) are equivalent. Comparing a shield to raw HPS only works if the person was never saved from dying by the shield so the shield is just “bonus HP”

Which is rarely the case with a tank

This is more in reference to end game Content, like EX and Savage
it's also much easier to calculate a 25% hp shield as equal to a 25% heal than as a flat mitigation. tbh that's kinda all it is, it's just a heal that can go over your max.

And in the world of savage where TB’s regularly do 3-400% of your health just saying “oh it’s like a heal” is intentionally disingenuous

[Mesarthim]

And I’m sure some of y’all remember the start of Dawntrail where DRK’s would literally fall over if the boss looked at them funny.

Also just to ask the question but... what boss?

[WannaBeSuccubs]

I just carried a Meso Terminal so hard on DRK just in response to this thread. It isn't bad. I think your logic (op) is operating under some flaws.

Also more homogenization doesn't mean good.

I don't want homogenization, I want Equity.

And I'm happy to change my opinion, if anyone can present me actual evidence that I'm wrong.

As said in the doc, I want to be wrong, I want the answer to just be "Git Gud"
But so far nothing has shown me to be wrong.

And saying "Your Logic is flawed" doesn't count as evidence.

[Exarch_Leon]

DRK is still viable and enjoyable.

The problem is that the strength of DRK's damage and the effectiveness of it's Mits are not equitable with the other tanks. DRK does less damage has lower mit uptime and is known to the community to be the most squishy tank.

As such only the most die hard DRKs are still playing the job. DRK requires more skill to play because it's more squishy and more punishing to play if you make a mistake. I know you love your job but it can be better and more enjoyable than it already is.

[Supersnow845]

There is equity

DRK trades sustain for higher ability to mitigate direct tankbusters

It is the strongest tank at absorbing a tankbuster

[WannaBeSuccubs]

Last post I'm going to make until someone can come up with a better argument than to insult my intelligence.

If you want to prove me wrong by all means please do.
Stop attack me, and attack my argument, Show me my argument is wrong, or that I messed up a calculation somewhere.

Don't attack me.

and when you do attack my argument, back it up with evidence, "You're wrong and I'm right" isn't an argument.

[Mesarthim]

There is equity

DRK trades sustain for higher ability to mitigate direct tankbusters

It is the strongest tank at absorbing a tankbuster

And this naturally contradicts what the OP is claiming since they say DRK will fall over as soon as a boss looks as them funny in DT, but I am still waiting for them to say which ones.

[Supersnow845]

What evidence do you want

All tanks share a 40%, rampart, reprisal, a short kit and some kind of class special extra mit (camouflage, oblation, thrill or bulwark)

DRK has the advantage in single target mitigation situations where its short mitigation is a shield rather than a mitigation which reduces the effect of diminishing returns, TBN is also on a shorter CD.

Oblation is on a shorter CD than any of the three other mits and if you are willing to use an extra charge it’s also twice as long

Then DRK also has dark mind which is a free mitigation the others simply lack on a very short CD

So for situations where you either need to take a single incredibly potent hit or he combination of dark mind being available and TBN being a shield gives DRK a massive edge in how much mit it can stack

In a situation where you take multiple high hits over a time period longer than the other tanks 90 seconds can last (say umbral slash in E11 or DSR P5) then oblations double charge means double duration and for one’s like umbral slash depending on your timing you can possibly even use TBN twice because of its shorter cd

So DRK trades overall sustain for a stronger ability to take one or two big hits in a short window that’s beyond the other tanks short mit and 90 second

[Exarch_Leon]

Also just to ask the question but... what boss?

7.0 Duties. Valigarmanda EX, Everkeep EX, AAC LHW Savage.

[Mesarthim]

Yeah and I tanked Vali EX just fine. I didn't exactly fall over as they claimed DRKs do. 7.0 duties? You mean dungeons? That is a skill issue because DRK should not have issues there.

I'm not defending DRK but rather pointing out that I have not been given examples that contradict my tanking experience. If this was as big of an issue as it was said to be then supposedly DRK would've been locked out of parties. It was not.