"We're people too." To the producer and Dev team of this MMORPG

[Turtledeluxe]

You know what I find tiresome? Virtue signaling. I won't necessarily say its what Yoshi P is doing because after all he is a dev and he is the victim of whatever feedback he is reading.

What do any of you truly believe you are accomplishing by yelling at 0.00001% of social media trolls who post about murder or otherwise extreme threats? I have some advice for all of you including SE. Just use the block button. The same way they turn off comments on YouTube, the same way you can ignore people on forums. Revolutionary, I know.

The solution is not political ranting or competitions for the Nobel peace prize. The trolls don't care.

[Moonlite]

Just don't send death threats or attack them personally.

"This design is a slog and needs to be addressed by (insert feedback)." vs. "The devs need to be thrown in the trash for tanking the game."

This is not hard to understand.

Huge difference between devs thrown in trash and someone being fired. "Dev" is not personal at all, some of the forums may think they have a "personal" relation with devs. But they have no more personal relationship with them then the guy who picks up their garbage. Acknowledging that a group/person is doing poorly at their jobs is not an attack. That a company might need to replace them is also not an attack. This forum has a strange idea of what an attack is.


With that said. People should not interact with people who create the game outside of the game. Except ofr the person that puts their name on the front of the game every chance. You stand on stage and take the applause you can stand on stage and take the boos. No need to name anyone else. If the writing is bad (subjective?), SE should consider making changes with the staff that oversee it. This weird idea that people can't be removed from their job is boggling.

I am shocked this is not how everyone interpreted it. Just provide the appropriate feedback, you can add how it makes you feel as well, but don't go telling them to die in a ditch over it. It's not rocket science. None of you are children anymore.

Projecting much? I have not seen a die post on these forums or reddit. If they do exist (the world is a big place) using a few fringe examples as the standard is just sad. No one is calling the people defending the game parascoial crazies that send birthday gifts in real life to people who make a video game.


I also think we are past the feedback stage. Inventory issues, we can't fix that but you can pay more. Open data centre travel, can't fix that it killed other centres ques. Healers don't want so little to do, tanks get more heals. Rival wings is two team pvp can't put that into roulette because other thing is three team. Don't want 8 man pvp removed, to bad. Open world is pretty dead, here is a temporary atma grind. Other content never gets updated, squadrons,chocobo racing,breeding,gates. These are things going on years.

[Zeekdober]

The MSQ needs actual gameplay. Going from point A to point B and talking to an NPC just to watch a 2 minute cutscene of yet more talking shouldn't be the majority of the MSQs. Going from point A to point B just to click a sparkle on the ground so you can return to an NPC to watch a 2 minute cutscene of yet more talking isn't engaging, it's busy work. Did you know that the last area in the DT MSQ has you fighting only 4 mobs? 4 mobs and they just fall over before your rotation is done. The area before that it was something like 6 mobs.

The entire time I was watching the end cutscene for Shaaloani I was thinking "Wow this would be much cooler if I was actually controlling the cannon (similar to the Air Force One GATE) instead of just watching another cutscene". At some point this stops being a game and becomes an interactive movie (and I'm using interactive very loosely here).

[JadeCurtiss]

Huge difference between devs thrown in trash and someone being fired. "Dev" is not personal at all, some of the forums may think they have a "personal" relation with devs. But they have no more personal relationship with them then the guy who picks up their garbage. Acknowledging that a group/person is doing poorly at their jobs is not an attack. That a company might need to replace them is also not an attack. This forum has a strange idea of what an attack is.
With that said. People should not interact with people who create the game outside of the game. Except ofr the person that puts their name on the front of the game every chance. You stand on stage and take the applause you can stand on stage and take the boos. No need to name anyone else. If the writing is bad (subjective?), SE should consider making changes with the staff that oversee it. This weird idea that people can't be removed from their job is boggling.

Let's be realistic. No one is going to be fired by some people calling for it, especially not individuals with a face in the community. You might argue feedback is a waste of time at this point, but calling for firings is an even bigger waste of time.

And I said "personally" as in something that relates to their person, not as in a personal relationship.

[Valence]

Telling devs that they should be fired is one of the most cruel and deluded things to tell. It's not that different from telling your garbage collector that they should lose their job. By saying this you've essentially stopped speaking about a game and its content, and started speaking about ruining people's actual lives.
I do hope for your own sake that you don't lose yours someday, but I guess that would put it in perspective for you once it actually happens to you. Especially if you don't have any safety net.

"You should be fired because you're not able to provide anything up to my standards in a video game" is certainly something on the scale of selfish entitlement. Go touch some grass, some of you, you're sounding absolutely unhinged.

[Jason_Ashford]

Telling devs that they should be fired is one of the most cruel and deluded things to tell. It's not that different from telling your garbage collector that they should lose their job. By saying this you've essentially stopped speaking about a game and its content, and started speaking about ruining people's actual lives.
I do hope for your own sake that you don't lose yours someday, but I guess that would put it in perspective for you once it actually happens to you. Especially if you don't have any safety net.

"You should be fired because you're not able to provide anything up to my standards in a video game" is certainly something on the scale of selfish entitlement. Go touch some grass, some of you, you're sounding absolutely unhinged.

there's also the ones howling for Kate to be fired because she dares to have a political view that mainly consists of "i don't want fascists in my government." and yet i've been told to "take my meds", lmfao. The OP has also been trying to argue that it's not Fascism if it's not a dictatorship. They've clearly neglected their historical reading, or just.... didn't bother reading about the years leading up to Nazi Germany and that it was almost word for word what has been slowly happening in the US.

But at this point it seems like people simply won't learn until the worst comes to pass.

[Ephremjlm]

The MSQ needs actual gameplay. Going from point A to point B and talking to an NPC just to watch a 2 minute cutscene of yet more talking shouldn't be the majority of the MSQs. Going from point A to point B just to click a sparkle on the ground so you can return to an NPC to watch a 2 minute cutscene of yet more talking isn't engaging, it's busy work. Did you know that the last area in the DT MSQ has you fighting only 4 mobs? 4 mobs and they just fall over before your rotation is done. The area before that it was something like 6 mobs.

The entire time I was watching the end cutscene for Shaaloani I was thinking "Wow this would be much cooler if I was actually controlling the cannon (similar to the Air Force One GATE) instead of just watching another cutscene". At some point this stops being a game and becomes an interactive movie (and I'm using interactive very loosely here).

Ya know, I know they'll never do it but when I think to myself what makes other single player games a better experience for things like this? What have other MMO's done? Story fights were all generally harder or significantly more engaging, and when you get done and you go into a cut scene where someone asks "are you okay" or "that was close" or "this is dangerous" you actually have an emotional feeling connected to that. I'm not saying general mobs need to be savage or extreme tier, but ya know maybe some of these open world pop mobs need to be a bit more threatening. Maybe some of them need to require one or two friends (maybe it encourages more people to play together idk). One thing that could be a minor annoyance at times, but I have grown to deeply appreciate with FFXI is that they actually did this exact thing. There were some open world pop mobs that were tied to the main missions, or seudo main side quests that you needed a friend or two to help with. Not a full party per say, but unless you had the perfect strat, subjobs, and gear, you weren't solo'ing it. I mean shoot they have the NPC's now they could even incorporate them more if they wanted to keep it solo friendly. It would feel so much better.

[All_Nonsense]

*Enters thread talking about how the dev's perceive feedback*

*Conversation is about fascism for some reason*

Classic forum moment. Feels like you could make a thread about a new glam and 2 pages in you'd have some bluesky poster red in the face screaming at you about how everyone is a fascist

[Raoabolic]

*Enters thread talking about how the dev's perceive feedback*

*Conversation is about fascism for some reason*

Classic forum moment. Feels like you could make a thread about a new glam and 2 pages in you'd have some bluesky poster red in the face screaming at you about how everyone is a fascist

Fun reminder that FFXIV is now on bluesky! I'm sure nothing will change on the NA side though. :^)

[All_Nonsense]

Fun reminder that FFXIV is now on bluesky! I'm sure nothing will change on the NA side though. :^)

It's ironic because Kate said herself that she doesn't think people should be allowed to leave negative feedback on creative works like FF14. I wonder what kind of person would suppress public opinion Maybe one of these bluesky posters has the word I'm looking for. It's not "fastest." hmm...