Feedback on Frontline balance – tanks are too oppressive

[Elephantality]

we just need 8 man premades back and all is fixed

I am personally fine with 4 man premades. It's not an autowin button. You still need to play well as a team, and you still have other players on your team. I have yet to find this formula, as I'm still improving.

[Miki_L]

I like how every frontline threads devolves into premade talk.

Anyways, Paladin definitely deserved the damage reduction. Literal god job right now. If your alliance isn't at least half paladins, you aren't playing correctly.

[MayuAmakura]

I like how every frontline threads devolves into premade talk.

Anyways, Paladin definitely deserved the damage reduction. Literal god job right now. If your alliance isn't at least half paladins, you aren't playing correctly.

Gnb and War do jobs much better than a Paladin in fl lmao. Even DRK is much better than paladin in fl for a reason.

But it does go into premade talk as most of the time you will see tank players grouping up and going together. Plus people can now change jobs in fl. Tanks were always good and now with additional abilities are even more.

[Esmoire]

The thing is the PLD buff just gave it a second dimension in FL. IMO Cover is just not as good in a FL environment as CC, especially after the Guard change. What did it leave us? GNB and WAR both had way better overall damage output, with GNB tanking better with its overall mits and WAR with crowd control immunity and ridiculous self-heal. Our best gimmick was dives and popping LB to soak up cooldowns. That's not enough. Think if the other tanks are going to have those damage numbers, I am glad PLD got them. I still think GNB is overall better.

[Ankhira]

Just got out a match where the enemy had a premade coordinating all their damage. 3 tanks. Not a good time.

DRK pull into Warrior Stun into GNB burst. Not much to say except that they were wiping out alliances left and right. Oh well, I'm done with this series got lvl 25 now it's time to chill.

I do however want to point out to those "If tanks were so oppressive why aren't more people playing them?" because some people, simply don't enjoy them in PvP or PvE for that matter. I enjoy DRK in endgame but I hate playing it in PvP for example. I feel much comfier on other jobs, I can't play GNB in PvP and Warrior just feels boring (personal opinion). Haven't tried PLD yet, mostly play WHM or Monk, but yeah, idk. On EU there's more and more GNB stacking happening with DRK premades and it's not fun in the slightest to me.

[Elephantality]

Rarely ever any follow up on tank. I tried Gunbreaker, did not seem fun. However, if you want to nerf their damage, doesn't matter to me. I don't think nerfing their damage resistance is a good idea, because they are tanks. They should make the way for the rest of the alliance. Otherwise you will get a team full of ranged who have to try to initiate but back up immediately. Doesn't feel fun.

[Stasya]

I am personally fine with 4 man premades. It's not an autowin button. You still need to play well as a team, and you still have other players on your team. I have yet to find this formula, as I'm still improving.

It's autowin button since people gathering not with 4 people but make 3-4 parties and q at same time.

This is what should be fixed, face party against party first, not create some trash match with multiple parties on one team.

But ofc premade abusers will going to derail this complaint. 0 skill people do not want fair matches.

[Elephantality]

It's autowin button since people gathering not with 4 people but make 3-4 parties and q at same time.

This is what should be fixed, face party against party first, not create some trash match with multiple parties on one team.

But ofc premade abusers will going to derail this complaint. 0 skill people do not want fair matches.

If it was autowin I would be able to win all my matches, but instead I have to bash my head against the mode to be able to gain any skill for it. It takes effort, unlike you want to downplay it. Plus remember, I'm a beginner to this. Now, I'm not against party's being matched up against parties. Plus, there has been match making that put a bunch together, and that should be improved so people can have a fairer experience. But please don't try to argue in bad faith. Coordination is strong, but it can only go so far. Also, that depends if the premade itself is even coordinating. Some friends I play with, there is no coordination.

Also, just saying, just calling people '0 skill people' is not nice and I'd like people to stop from saying such things in this community.

[Elephantality]

i will give you links to games wtih good pvp matchmaking and where game at least tries to have fair matches.

None of those games are fun to me. Also I tried the PVP for WoW, was a horrible experience. (was literally doing 0 damage) Thank you though. I think a good compromise would be to use Exmo's suggestion of reducing the number of players, and making seperate queue's like CC. That way we can practice our skill individually in one queue, and be able to join our friends in another.

[Themarvin]

Tanks die as easy as anything else in FL....