The main problems of FFXIV

[Nyastra]

That's still a player prooblem. You're playing in a sandbox with 20 different toys. If you only like 1 of the 20 and you're getting bored with it, then start applying critical thinking skills.

It's a player problem as much as people want to deflect it to being JUST a dev problem.

Hardcore or elitist players complain that “no one touches the content,” while casual or average players avoid it because dealing with toxic reactions or constant judgment ruins their fun. The result is that content doesn’t get engagement, and everyone blames the other side. It’s not just about the content being bad — it’s about player behavior and expectations.

[Aviatorhead]

That's still a player prooblem. You're playing in a sandbox with 20 different toys. If you only like 1 of the 20 and you're getting bored with it, then start applying critical thinking skills.

What do you suggest should happen, then? We change nothing? We wait for the playerbase to have a change of heart and suddenly want to engage? Do we scream at them until they like the content?

[AvoSturmfaust]

Nah, I hear you. I get why some people don’t want to do the content for that reason, but that’s the same reason some of us avoid it too. I don’t want to deal with players who get upset over minor mistakes in something that’s supposed to be a fun time. For me, it’s easier to just not do it. I don't do on content EX trials, or savage or ultimate. I am not a "bad" player, I'm average by all means, but I do not want to be crucified for accidently screwing up my combo or stepping off a platform or whatever. Been there, done that.

I get what you mean, but i dont know about NA, but EU atleast is rather chill, nobody would judge you if you dont play like a "god" atleast not in PF, people just expect that everyone carries his own weight, and thats something which isnt really difficult to do

thats why i always say you dont need to play like a freaking god, but atleast try to carry your own weight and give the shit a try, dont be afraid, i mean what would be the worst thing happen? someone insults you in a VIDEOGAME, i really dont understand why people are so insane afraid of it

But like i said i understand you really

[Nyastra]

What do you suggest should happen, then? We change nothing? We wait for the playerbase to have a change of heart and suddenly want to engage? Do we scream at them until they like the content?

This is where I get frustrated: people want to hide behind toxic behavior and then complain when others don’t engage with content. Sure, the content isn’t Shadowbringers or whatever expansion you prefer, but constantly being judgmental or elitist doesn’t make it any better. Their attitudes can make the game miserable for others, and that’s just as much a problem as the content itself.

And yeah it's not going to change, probably just as much as the content is not going to change because they're catering to the masses. As it should be.

[AvoSturmfaust]

What do you suggest should happen, then? We change nothing? We wait for the playerbase to have a change of heart and suddenly want to engage? Do we scream at them until they like the content?

You sadly cant change anything really, look take as example square starts to release raids and the focus shits more to the "casual" content as example, then the raider will start to complain

I know its always easy to say "square needs to change something" "everything is squares fault" but in the end it doesnt matter what square does you will always have people complain, thats why i really think most of the shit is playerbased fault, because contenwise we are getting really enough, but square cant please everyone

[Valence]

I don't know why people always feel the need to go back to that "us vs them" mentality of raiders vs casuals. If you think this is what makes people not engage with the content, I think you're missing a big part of the picture.

[Aviatorhead]

You sadly cant change anything really, look take as example square starts to release raids and the focus shits more to the "casual" content as example, then the raider will start to complain

I know its always easy to say "square needs to change something" "everything is squares fault" but in the end it doesnt matter what square does you will always have people complain, thats why i really think most of the shit is playerbased fault, because contenwise we are getting really enough, but square cant please everyone

I feel like explaining to you again why content is not great rn is pointless so I'm not going to. I already did.

The changes coming to the new DD is proof to me that the devs recognize their content needs changing. Their is plenty the devs can do to make content reach more people and last longer, like the changing difficulties with offerings and those difficulties offering different loot. That is already a huge change coming that can influence other content and make it more accessible to a wider range of people without dumbing it down for the higher skill players.

No I'm not saying the playerbase is perfect, but I don't see a point in focusing that problem when you cannot change your playerbase. You can change your game, but you cant force people to enjoy it.

[AvoSturmfaust]

I feel like explaining to you again why content is not great rn is pointless so I'm not going to. I already did.

The changes coming to the new DD is proof to me that the devs recognize their content needs changing. Their is plenty the devs can do to make content reach more people and last longer, like the changing difficulties with offerings and those difficulties offering different loot. That is already a huge change coming that can influence other content and make it more accessible to a wider range of people without dumbing it down for the higher skill players.

No I'm not saying the playerbase is perfect, but I don't see a point in focusing that problem when you cannot change your playerbase. You can change your game, but you cant force people to enjoy it.

It seems you dont understand something not, if the Content is good or not is a PERSONAL MATTER,

You said "You cant change the Playerbase but you can change your Game" which is true without Question, but what is with the People which enjoy currently how the Game is? You do FORCE then them to enjoy it.

[Aviatorhead]

It seems you dont understand something not, if the Content is good or not is a PERSONAL MATTER,

You said "You cant change the Playerbase but you can change your Game" which is true without Question, but what is with the People which enjoy currently how the Game is? You do FORCE then them to enjoy it.

Yes it's an opinion thing. Enough people have expressed their opinion that the current content sucks via not paying a sub anymore. Enough people do that and SE has a problem.

I don't understand your second paragraph there, sorry. If you think I want to make the game easier for everyone then no, I think the people who enjoy the game rn deserve a version of the game where their favorite parts still exist.

[MayuAmakura]

This game has ridiculous amount of problems and one of the first and foremost is making new player experience atrocious at best.

When new players (if they even come at this point and its not a random alt who is a sprout so they trick you for free gil) come, they instantly get:

- 30 minutes to 1 hour of cutscene where they haven't done anything nor touched their keyboard.
- Pure boring text box that you have to read.
- No voice lines or anything.

When a new player tries this, it becomes a boring start. On top of that are these dialogs with no voicing. But they will soon hear: "just wait until you come to later expansions, it will be great dw. Its just 100+ hours until you get there... but trust me bro, it will be better". Thus why they decide its best to stop and play something better.

Then they might decide to skip the story and pay for skipping because this is in the store for a reason.

Any other "small" issue is unlikely to get fixed because it's too much hassle for them. So don't expect any renovation or better things. Let's not kid ourselves with 8.0. It will be same junk that we got as dawntrail. It's the same old boring formula.

- Free companies, grand companies, retainer system and everything else will receive again no changes
- 1 new ability at level 110 and rest are just fillers with more potency
- 2-3 dungeons and 1 trial which are again pure corridor type dungeons.
- Classes being even more homogenized and dumbed down.

We all wait for 8.0 as it may bring something good, because YoshiP constantly derives on the lies. New "unique" combat experience, talents points,etc. yeah even if that comes it will be in some god knows 8.5+ patch so enjoy waiting for it.