Post Duty damage meter

[Everbox]

Terrible idea and there's a reason why a DPS meter hasn't been implemented in the game. PvP stats work because PvP is literally about competing. Besides the objective, the scoreboard is the content. You aren't competing against people in PvE you're competing against a boss. The second that a dps meter would be implemented, people would stop caring as much about mechanics and start stat padding so they can screenshot it for Discord. As a WoW refugee, when people start obsessing over DPS it brings in harassment and elitism every single time. It doesn't matter who in your party is the lowest on the DPS meter as long as the content gets cleared.

If you care more about numbers than the duty complete screen, maybe you're playing the wrong MMO twin...

[TaleraRistain]

No, thank you. There is no need for something like that in the more casual content. In the more endgame content, there are already tools the community utilizes but SE has always been adamant about not using them against other players. Having an official measurement in game would dilute that grey area they can exist in, so there's no reason for SE to implement it. Not to mention it would lead to toxicity in the more casual content over something that isn't needed there because there will always be those more concerned about their numbers than enjoying the run with other people.

[Valence]

Not the point being made. There is no scenario where you can add an element like this to the pve aspect of the game and it not result in toxicity.

Get over it.

Get over what? Do you think I'm defending the addition to a DPS meter to pve or something? I'm saying that the scoreboard is NOT the source of toxicity in pvp, which you advanced in your post. And just as I wrote above, comparing the pvp damage meter with whatever meter would be in pve makes zero sense because both modes don't work around damage the same way at all. That's why adding a full damage meter to pve where you'd get the numbers for everybody would result in a big rise in toxicity, because of the reason I brought up: pve is all about damage, damage and damage again with no other variables.

[AmiableApkallu]

If you care more about numbers than the duty complete screen, maybe you're playing the wrong MMO twin...

To be fair, DPS checks do exist in this game. Sometimes, the numbers do actually have to hit some minimum threshold or else you're not seeing that Duty Complete screen.

And even without DPS checks, improving those numbers might mean you get to that Duty Complete screen sooner rather than later.

The problem is when someone tries to "greed" those numbers instead of playing it on the safer side.

[Everbox]

To be fair, DPS checks do exist in this game. Sometimes, the numbers do actually have to hit some minimum threshold or else you're not seeing that Duty Complete screen.

And even without DPS checks, improving those numbers might mean you get to that Duty Complete screen sooner rather than later.

The problem is when someone tries to "greed" those numbers instead of playing it on the safer side.

Obviously DPS checks exist, but that’s a far cry from handing players a full-on meter to obsess over the entire fight. Mindsets will shift from focusing on learning mechanics to looking at their number on the DPS meter. Improving your numbers can speed up clears, yes, but only if you actually understand the fights. The vast majority of raid wipes, over 90% by most community estimates, are caused by players not handling mechanics correctly, not by low DPS. In cases where mechanics are executed properly by everyone and the DPS check still isn’t hit, you can just look at enmity order to see who’s contributing least instead of begging SE to add a meter.

[BlisteringFrost]

Add it in.

If someone behaves poorly using it as a weapon to do so, then you just report them. Are you more scared of making a report ticket or something?

[Stasya]

Obviously DPS checks exist, but that’s a far cry from handing players a full-on meter to obsess over the entire fight. Mindsets will shift from focusing on learning mechanics to looking at their number on the DPS meter. Improving your numbers can speed up clears, yes, but only if you actually understand the fights. The vast majority of raid wipes, over 90% by most community estimates, are caused by players not handling mechanics correctly, not by low DPS. In cases where mechanics are executed properly by everyone and the DPS check still isn’t hit, you can just look at enmity order to see who’s contributing least instead of begging SE to add a meter.

Nah, ff14 needs dps meter simply to call out not bad play but literal botters pretending to be "casual tee hee" in any content.

Just google auto duty, auto rotation etc. People blatantly cheat to do roulettes and nothing you can do about it.

[MsMisato]

Add it in.

If someone behaves poorly using it as a weapon to do so, then you just report them. Are you more scared of making a report ticket or something?

nah because of SE lack of accountibility and people are people and will be toxic because its happened before.

[Aravell]

After PVP matches there is a post stat chart with kills, deaths, healing done ect when the duty is Complete. There seems to be no toxic behavior that I have encountered with it being displayed at the end of the duty.

Since the statistics page at the end of a match shows your full character name and home world, there were cases of people traveling to someone's home world just to harass them for real or perceived underperformance. It doesn't happen often, but there are people who are unhinged enough to do that. It would probably be far worse in PvE purely due to the fact that more people partake in PvE compare to PvP.

As for people who say "Just report people who harass you", why would the dev team implement something that potentially increases the number of reports the GM team needs to handle?

[Everbox]

Nah, ff14 needs dps meter simply to call out not bad play but literal botters pretending to be "casual tee hee" in any content.

Just google auto duty, auto rotation etc. People blatantly cheat to do roulettes and nothing you can do about it.

if you think a DPS meter will magically stop botters, I fear you're delusional. People will find ways to cheat no matter what tools SE gives them. Adding a meter just shifts focus from learning mechanics to obsessing over numbers and breeds toxicity for everyone else. IF someone is auto-rotating or botting, there's already logs, reports, and SE monitoring to deal with them. Creating a DPS meter isn't going to solve the issue you're bringing up.