The Male Miqo'te situation of Tural (SE forgetting their own lore?)

[DreadCrow]

I mean, in the real world, geography absolutely has a factor in genetics. Is it really a stretch to thing that maybe some factor of Tural changes the birth rates?

Or that Eorzean miqo'te, who were once slaves for an empire that absolutely loved genetic engineering, had something altered thousands of years ago to help control population?

EDIT: Not to mention
ore is meant to support a story, not be some unchangeable dogma or a requirement for any given idea in the story. Sometimes, "Why is X thing the way it is" has a simple answer; the author wanted it to be that way.

[Pip_Chick]

So, me and my friend counted that there are over 20 male Miqo'te in Shaloaani, which is supposed to be the main hub for the Miqo'te population "Hhetsarro" in Tural.
This strikes rather odd in terms of the lore, where male Miqo'tes are supposedly extremely rare in their society and they are having a population boom over in Tural.

Do you suppose SE and the new writers just forgot their own lore, or just simply went "screw it" when they approached this new tribe to just find something to replace the Whalaqee for whatever reason?
The copium take is this is a link to some new miqo'te lore, like a missing link between their exodus` back in the calamity?

BUT, IF we were to give SE leeway and look this over as a lore-relevant insert. WHY do you think the birth-rate of males in Tural is booming like this compared to the lore?

Keeping in mind that there area bunch of male Viera in both the Old Sharyan and DT zones, as well as a lot of Female Hrothgar in Tural. I would say they don't care about that anymore.

[WarGiver]

I will admit I am late to this thread but I was questioning the same thing and found this thread. Keep in mind that the Seekers are a 1:7 Male:Female ratio and Keepers are 1:5 Male:Female ratio. So there is precedence here. I have deep notes on them so I will keep the known migration as brief as I can. They originated in Eorzea as far back as is known, but as the Allagans spread the Miqo'te were treated as a beast tribe and were hunted, enslaved, and otherwise pushed out. They spent the entity of the Third Astral Era running out of Eorzea, across Illisibard, and into Mericidia. As in the entire species. They were then captured in Mericidia and dragged out to Corvos which acted as a labor camp / Laboratory. Some were kept as slaves/pets (*This is G'Raha's back story*) Eventually the empire fell in the Fourth Calamity and the Tribes present in Corvos Established themselves and everyone that the Allagans were keeping there tried to build their own nations, fought and such (in THIS mess, the proto-Garleans marched in declared it Locus Amoenus and tried to build their nation here got their butts kicked and have never forgiven anyone. Solus zos Galvus (Emet-Selch) rose to power partially to "retake Locus Amoenus"...

At some point the group of Miqo'te that would become the Keepers left and sailed to a southern island and built a home. WHEN specifically is not entirely known but as the only Miqo'te in Corvos that didn't go to Eorzea (During the fifth calamity) were the G' they must have left before that. They Migrated to the Shroud from the island during/after the sixth calamity

Given the Hhetsarro are based on the people that migrated to NA from Asia via crossing the land bridge I would assume that they come from either another group that kept going east when the proto-keepers went south, likely reversing the pressures that caused the 1:7 ratio in the seekers to reverse more then it did in the keepers. Either that or they are from a group in Meracydia or Orthard (honestly there is basically no proof the Miqo'te lived in any real numbers in Othard, the few examples we have are orphans) that made their way to Tural the same way, from Othard to Tural during the age of ice.

I wish the Lore spelled the Hhetsarro history out more, and I wish we knew the status of the Miqo'te of Meracydia.

[Hallarem]

Snip.

In my heart of hearts I believe that Hhetsarro were a quickly cobbled up tribe in the writers room, because they didn't want to tackle natives vs industrial progress / robbing their lands of resources storyline with the Whalaqee who were SUPPOSED to be the ceruleum land. Now they just get a brief cameo in the gatherer quests.

And SE really seems to be stingy on Miqo'te lore in general. A lot of Miqo'te players I know have been begging for more lore. I feel like they just wrote whatever they wanted and ignored the lore, that's why there are so many males. It's kinda clear from their current lore that they just insert what they feel like / think is cool and don't really go for meaningful worldbuilding anymore. Conspiracy theory was that Koji Fox was more into that, but now that he's retired from the position, the care is not there anymore.

[Burmecia]

Inb4 SE write in genetic manipulation via the Allagans to stunt the population size by massively reducing male births.

This is equal parts of wild, genophage, but plausible sounding explanation.

[Raikai]

So, me and my friend counted that there are over 20 male Miqo'te in Shaloaani, which is supposed to be the main hub for the Miqo'te population "Hhetsarro" in Tural.
This strikes rather odd in terms of the lore, where male Miqo'tes are supposedly extremely rare in their society and they are having a population boom over in Tural.

Do you suppose SE and the new writers just forgot their own lore, or just simply went "screw it" when they approached this new tribe to just find something to replace the Whalaqee for whatever reason?
The copium take is this is a link to some new miqo'te lore, like a missing link between their exodus` back in the calamity?

BUT, IF we were to give SE leeway and look this over as a lore-relevant insert. WHY do you think the birth-rate of males in Tural is booming like this compared to the lore?

They call themselves Hhetsarro, not miqo'te, so just by that cultural semantic you can assume there must be enough historical differences to justify something like population ratio. Pretty much like Shetona do not seem to abide to the common Viera culture as well.

[MikkoAkure]

At some point the group of Miqo'te that would become the Keepers left and sailed to a southern island and built a home. WHEN specifically is not entirely known but as the only Miqo'te in Corvos that didn't go to Eorzea (During the fifth calamity) were the G' they must have left before that. They Migrated to the Shroud from the island during/after the sixth calamity

Where is it said that Meracydian Miqo’te were Keepers? According to the Encyclopedia, all Miqo’te in Eorzea today seem to be from Ilsabard and came over when the Sea of Jade froze over in the Fifth Calamity and there’s nothing at all to my knowledge that mentions Miqo’te migration in the Sixth Calamity.

The Miqo'te are descendants of a hunting people that crossed over the frozen seas to Eorzea in search of prey during the Age of Endless Frost, when famine gripped the land.

We simply do not know anything about Meracydia except that Miqo’te passed through there at some point in the past.


As far as Turali Hhetsarro go, that’s still a mystery that’s not helped by the world’s strange geography. While it’s possible they could have crossed ice bridges over there, the geography and distances are completely different from our own world and sailing is made even more difficult with gigantic waterfalls in the ocean extending far out into the Fathomless Sea. It’s possible that Miqo’te even came from there considering there were a handful of Alexandrian Miqo’te present in Sphene’s flashback centuries before they came to the Source.

But unless we get a sudden lore drop on Tural or Meracydia or a new EE comes out, we simply do not know.

[RedLolly]

I fully believe it's a retcon.

Miqo'te men in Eorzea were fully meant to be extremely rare compared to females from the start, mostly a leftover from FFXI races being the base for FFXIV's. But when they were added to ARR, uh oh, they cat boys are the most popular male option, and that breaks lore!

What now? We can't FORCE players to change and people clearly love these guys, and everyone is okay with tons of cute cat girls, too, so let's just put more in the game. And "clarify" what a Nuhn is later. (Alphinuad wondering why G'raha doesn't take the Nuhn name considering how he basically rules over the Crystal Tower).

[Auro_Seldaris]

Do you suppose SE and the new writers just forgot their own lore, or just simply went "screw it"

I think you know the answer to that question.

In my heart of hearts I believe that Hhetsarro were a quickly cobbled up tribe in the writers room, because they didn't want to tackle natives vs industrial progress / robbing their lands of resources storyline with the Whalaqee who were SUPPOSED to be the ceruleum land. Now they just get a brief cameo in the gatherer quests.

Yup. I feel like that got the "Consultant" treatment.

The New World attire was heavily Native American-coded. Too "problematic and sterotypical", had to go.

Mamool Ja speaking broken English was too "noble savage-coded", had to go. (The whole lore snippet about that being "an act that they ALL put on" is insultingly preposterous, too)

The ceruleum was a clear parallel to oil. Might make people "uncomfortable" - or accidentally glorify colonialism, industrialism, and land theft - instead of being a thoughtful subject to explore, had to go.

Blue Magic was too "Mystical Native American Spirit Animal Crap", had to go.

Gun violence bad, so "Rubber bullets".

There's clearly a "Manifest Destiny"-shaped hole in Tural.
In typical modern fashion, we can't examine the topic like adults, we have to just accept an almost childish "Bad Thing Bad" viewpoint, or worse, pretend it never happened at all and learn NOTHING.

Instead of gravitas, we get rubber bullets and WTF I LOVE MY CULTURE NOW!

[RedLolly]

Yup. I feel like that got the "Consultant" treatment.

...

Instead of gravitas, we get rubber bullets and WTF I LOVE MY CULTURE NOW!

It's wild since these subjects leading into the Alexandria arc would've been a perfect midpoint since Alexandria is literally an invading kingdom that assimilates hundreds of Turali people into their culture.

They're just *so happy* to be there, living outside the city, on farms, after abandoning so many of their old towns. Heritage Found is the most bizarrely stale area in the game despite being pretty horrifying. But also many started families and live comfortably with native Alexandrians. But then you have Oblivion being run by a Turali historian and naturalist who is very much against the cultural order of Alexandria.

You can smell the bleach from a consultant from here.