Summoner - What it needs.

[Supersnow845]

what is this? seriously i said 10 and 11 . and 12 was apart of final fantasy tactics universe everything in 12 was spot on if we talkin about final fantasy tactics lore. however 16 I played it making final fantasy game equalivant a kaiju. no 8 ismt a summoner even thou i will say fact being able transform into one have massive kaiju' battles was pretty cool. still wasn't a summoner

What?

Why does 12 being in the tactics universe have literally anything to do with anything (side note 14 is in the tactics universe as well). I’m pointing out this series has literally never agreed on what a SMN actually is. The older games had a somewhat unified idea then the newer games all had a totally different idea. 3 4 5 and 9 don’t look anything like 10 11 12 and 16 whether you consider the dominants as summoners by proxy.

You can’t just point to an old game and go “I want that as SMN” because none of the games agree on what a SMN even is. You seem to want SMN to be based on Rydia (despite pointing out how good 11’s SMN is that decidedly DOESNT act like rydia) but few games even agree on a core premise for SMN other than “summon things” which was true for both old and new 14 SMN so isn’t even an argument

[HanakoTheGoth]

What?

Why does 12 being in the tactics universe have literally anything to do with anything (side note 14 is in the tactics universe as well). I’m pointing out this series has literally never agreed on what a SMN actually is. The older games had a somewhat unified idea then the newer games all had a totally different idea. 3 4 5 and 9 don’t look anything like 10 11 12 and 16 whether you consider the dominants as summoners by proxy.

You can’t just point to an old game and go “I want that as SMN” because none of the games agree on what a SMN even is. You seem to want SMN to be based on Rydia (despite pointing out how good 11’s SMN is that decidedly DOESNT act like rydia) but few games even agree on a core premise for SMN other than “summon things” which was true for both old and new 14 SMN so isn’t even an argument

I dont know what pissed you off so much but listen I understand where you come from i do I dont like what they did either. but as long as this job is called summoner players gonna have expectations. old summoner did fail in that causes egi's where butt ugly. didnt feel powerful in fact they were embaressing have out how disgusting they looked. name one game outside 14 were we had floating tard as a summon masking itself as titan name it?


I liked bane i like maimsa i like shadowflare i like fact fester hit like trunk was not happy took those away. but even then we spammed ruin when dots where up. no matter what they do mostly like keep spamming ruin cause it is what it is (atfer we use couple abilities of course. I what i dont like is fact pets we had at the time where shit they where UGLY it felt bad had floating tard. an angry burning chicken and whatever that wind crappy thing calling themselfs garuda


If you ever played 11 summoner you can see why people were PISSED garuda looked fantastic in 11 but in 14 in was toilet paper it was creative slop makes my head hurt that you everyone on here defending old summoner dont remeber how your pets looked like cause i do I played it was garbage not saying new summoner even better it also garbage what can you expect from 14 dev team

[HanakoTheGoth]

I took a break cause clearly your pissing me off. but now im back. lets continue this debate. you say old summoner is like 11? are you crazy? have you even played it cause if you played it you dare not make that claim. sometimes think your just saying stuff cause your just trolling trying piss people off. if ff14 summoner is like you say then tell me why isnt garuda putting blink on whole party why isnt titan putting stone skin everyone in party why isnt ifirit buffing whole parties damage why in hell we dont have summons made summoner summoner in first place

well good job now I'm mad. sense when did 14 EVER let you challange every single summon to 1v1 combat. force them submit. no not talkin about those "Egis" I talkin about actually actually good looking summons. thats right never

we had ifirt, titan, shiva, leviathan, garuda fenrir diablos cat sith, alexander odin and levithan they had alot of abilities every single one of them were awesome.

DON'T YOU DARE EVER claim thats 14 old or new summoner ever close to how good was bloody lie unless you have played ff11 your talkin trash at this point there was no dots on ff11 summoner unless support job other classes even then they where not that damaging cause your enfeeble skill wasnt as high or not high enough at this point your trollin mate your trollin cant see different between summoning titan in ff11 and summoning floating tard in 14 then get your eyes checked have you played ff11 retain 2025 cause if you had wouldnt claiming this crap

cause I hated the art work I hated lack creativity and slop summoner got. I hate new summoner cause we only have 3 summons no reason why there should be reskin of bahamut when old bahamut looked better in fact pisses me off we didnt get single new gem summon but we got this creative trash bahamut no one wished or asked they know what we want we been asking for it sense realm reborn new summons I hate class quests summoner got because they all trash. you get fight egi didnt make you feel like achieved anything it was egi was ugly egi everything was given to you never had fight for shit

People play summoner cause they want summon stuff and feel powerful dont like that have them make you new caster job with your dots. old summon should never come back, cause we have same issue as before. yoshi-p wont give us anymore summons he cant count higher then 3 as long as we are stuck using garuda, ifirt titan it never ever be a true summoner class


My personal opinion whole job needs be reworked including class quests i get that your angry cause current rotation is really dumbed down. but dont make that claim that final fantasy 11 summoner was ever like 14s again. cause those are fighting words seriously go play ff11 summoner do that 11 summoner quest watch was most tedious quest in the game. fight every single primal in a 1v1 battle. get fenrir fighting everyone of them again get catt sith, siren alexander and odin diablos all summons say that 11 summoner anything what we been given in 14 fails in greatiest in 11

11 was older game. these devs no shame. its absolutely disrespect what we got. even if they brought back old summoner trash is still trash end of the day