Something needs to be done about .X5 content cycle

[brinn12]

I feel like people who consciously decide to not do ex and savage, aren't really in a position to be complaining about the lack of content.
Content was provided. You declined to participate. That's not really their fault.

Also, inb4, you make the na "casuals can't do ex or savage" argument, because that's not true.
choosing not to =/ can't.

Inb4 the EX fight can be cleared in one day of prog regardless of skill
Inb4 the mount you can farm there is just a few pixels different

Savage content will always have low engagement. Relying on similar content to keep people subbed, and then blame the casual community for not doing it, has never worked well for any MMO. It requires following specific strats, watching VODs, having a schedule or worrying about fflogs/tomestone. A combination which most people avoid when playing videogames. Understandably so. This cannot be changed.

[Bryson]

Inb4 the EX fight can be cleared in one day of prog regardless of skill
Inb4 the mount you can farm there is just a few pixels different

Savage content will always have low engagement. Relying on similar content to keep people subbed, and then blame the casual community for not doing it, has never worked well for any MMO. It requires following specific strats, watching VODs, having a schedule or worrying about fflogs/tomestone. A combination which most people avoid when playing videogames. Understandably so. This cannot be changed.

Who said anything about blame?
Consciously deciding to not engage in xyz (in this context ,ex and savage) isn't the same thing as, there's nothing for me to do.

No one disputed "most people" avoid having to put forth effort. I agree. That is what most people on NA do. That doesn't mean you can't do the content though. People have autonomy here.

[brinn12]

Who said anything about blame?
Consciously deciding to not engage in xyz (in this context ,ex and savage) isn't the same thing as, there's nothing for me to do.

No one disputed "most people" avoid having to put forth effort. I agree. That is what most people on NA do. That doesn't mean you can't do the content though. People have autonomy here.

You're saying this group is not in a position to complain about the lack of content. This is clearly shifting the blame to them, as if they were putting themselves there. What put them there is the lack of content that should cater to them.

[Bryson]

You're saying this group is not in a position to complain about the lack of content. This is clearly shifting the blame to them, as if they were putting themselves there. What put them there is the lack of content that should cater to them.

that's not what blame means. blame is assigning fault. I'm saying (having been there as well, for arr - sb), it's about having a different perspective. Even Yoshi-P just recently said something along the lines of "if we have 10 things to do, if people enjoy 7, that's good." It's rare for someone to enjoy everything.

7.3 has content for crafters/gatherers. I don't craft or gather. By your logic, I should be complaining? I'm not though... because I consciously decided to not participate because I don't care about doh/dol. I never have. Not everything is going to be for everyone.

If you know what the patch will provide, and you've already decided (before even trying the content) what's to come "isn't for you", I'm not sure that's on SE that you consciously decide to pass on what they're providing.

I just don't agree with that perspective.. even when I was a casual with a lot of irl time constraints cause of work and college, I never thought to myself "there isn't any content for me to do." It was more akin to "there's a lot to do, some of it isn't for me at this time, because my irl time constraints prevent me from being able to meaningfully engaging with it."

Again, choose not to do, isn't the same thing as can't do.

[brinn12]

that's not what blame means. blame is assigning fault. I'm saying (having been there as well, for arr - sb), it's about having a different perspective. Even Yoshi-P just recently said something along the lines of "if we have 10 things to do, if people enjoy 7, that's good." It's rare for someone to enjoy everything.

7.3 has content for crafters/gatherers. I don't craft or gather. By your logic, I should be complaining? I'm not though... because I consciously decided to not participate because I don't care about doh/dol. I never have. Not everything is going to be for everyone.

If you know what the patch will provide, and you've already decided (before even trying the content) what's to come "isn't for you", I'm not sure that's on SE that you consciously decide to pass on what they're providing.

I just don't agree with that perspective.. even when I was a casual with a lot of irl time constraints cause of work and college, I never thought to myself "there isn't any content for me to do." It was more akin to "there's a lot to do, some of it isn't for me at this time, because my irl time constraints prevent me from being able to meaningfully engaging with it."

Again, choose not to do, isn't the same thing as can't do.

You're still shifting the blame to them. That's your perspective, which is crystal clear. Yoshi-P himself stated that when people don't like Savage, the patches are short lived, which they are looking to change in the future. CBU3 is, in fact, finally taking responsibility for that. The complaints rarely are that the game isn't releasing any content. People obviously want content they are willing to do. They're in a position to complain if they don't get it.

[Bryson]

You're still shifting the blame to them. That's your perspective, which is crystal clear. Yoshi-P himself stated that when people don't like Savage, the patches are short lived, which they are looking to change in the future. CBU3 is, in fact, finally taking responsibility for that. The complaints rarely are that the game isn't releasing any content. People obviously want content they are willing to do. They're in a position to complain if they don't get it.

blame denotes fault, I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong. I'm saying, it's a matter of perspective.
7.3 provides crafters/gatherers with content, by your logic, I should be crying because there's "nothing for me to do" sense I don't craft/gather

The complaints actually are that the content being released isn't enough relative to the 19 week DT patch cycles (in the past it was 3 month patch cycles).

Whether something is willing to do something or not is entirely up to them. They didn't force me to be indifferent about cosmic exploration. That was my choice. Just like people weren't forced to ignore ex/savage/ult etc etc. That was their choice. Players have autonomy. Not a fan of x? don't do it.. but you can't simultaenously claim there's nothing to do, when you were presented with stuff to do.

If I offer you food, you can't say "there's nothing to eat."
If SE offers you, ex,savage,ult's,car,ft etc etc, and you say 'I don't do that content." that's not the same thing as "there's no content for you to do."