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  1. #11
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    Connor Whelan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespar View Post
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    I mean, that certainly might apply…if they hadn’t had a literal decade to solve some of these problems and still haven’t. It wouldn’t be unreasonable for your ‘boss’ to have some extremely serious words with you by that point.

    I’m all for criticism being constructive but at the same time some of us have been trying that since 2.0 with extremely little success lol. How could they not become bitter and frustrated at the overwhelming silence to these issues? I mean, it’s not like they have the game to play with how short-lived patches are now lol.
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    Last edited by Connor; 08-09-2025 at 11:39 PM.

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    Hallarem Aurealis
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    Got my cool hat from the dungeon, did Msq, did alliance raid, got the new housing items, got the torch,got new housing items only to notice.. OH YEAH, IM STILL FULL ON HOUSING ITEMS BECAUSE WE HAVE NO EXTRA SLOTS TO DECORATE. Aaaaand done with the patch. Beastmaster prolly at the end of the expansion.. ugh..
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  3. #13
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    Hallarem Aurealis
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    This whole "but the game is chill and has no fomo, and doesnt pressure you to do content and you can take breaks" would be cuddly and cozy and all, except for one detail..... WE ARE PAYING A RECURRING SUBSCRIPTION FEE.
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  4. #14
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    Endris Caemwynn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallarem View Post
    This whole "but the game is chill and has no fomo, and doesnt pressure you to do content and you can take breaks" would be cuddly and cozy and all, except for one detail..... WE ARE PAYING A RECURRING SUBSCRIPTION FEE.
    Just lose your house, then lose all the furniture and gil because that also expires. You're free to take breaks so long as you stay subscribed and keep periodically logging in.
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  5. #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespar View Post
    I understand the critical feedback from us players, and while I agree with much of it, I also understand how much work goes into making content for a game, any game, especially an MMO. But I'm kinda getting annoyed with us players rather than the developers right now. I wont say the game is in a great state with how Dawntrail started, but steps to address our criticisms are clearly being taken. Regardless, we just continue to gripe and moan about EVERYTHING without showing a shred of patience. Development takes time. Especially if you want that content to be even remotely decent.
    I feel like we have become immensely disrespectful towards the developers and their ability to deliver good content in such short windows of time. It may not seem like it but FOUR MONTHS isn't exactly a lot of time when it comes to developing a game. Giving constructive criticism is one thing, but our constant demanding everything now now now, just sounds like spoiled toddler behavior.

    By all means keep providing TACTFUL, constructive criticism, but lets be mindful, developers and testers are people too. Consider how you would feel if your boss lorded over you constantly, rushing you to meet deadlines, all whilst belittling your work and the moment its done, its not enough or not good enough. That's how we are treating them right now...
    Gentle reminder that this is a subscription based game.
    My whole life I have not given a company more money for a game than this one, so yes, I am entitled to receive value for my money and I am also entitled to express my disapproval with the patches. If you can not stand it, then avoid the general forum.

    Yes, developers are people too, but guess what, they are not my friends (and also not yours). This is a business relationship. I give money, they give service. No service, no satisfied customers.
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  6. #16
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    Mirn Armaya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daralii View Post
    Just lose your house, then lose all the furniture and gil because that also expires. You're free to take breaks so long as you stay subscribed and keep periodically logging in.
    It's being stored at the Caretaker when your house is being demolished, with 80% of the price paid for the estate grounds and the indoor and outdoor furnishings that are not destroyed upon removal.
    For additional 45 days after the demolition.

    So you know , when you lose your home it's all not gone.
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  7. #17
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    Xynnel Valeroyant
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespar View Post
    I understand the critical feedback from us players, and while I agree with much of it, I also understand how much work goes into making content for a game, any game, especially an MMO. But I'm kinda getting annoyed with us players rather than the developers right now. I wont say the game is in a great state with how Dawntrail started, but steps to address our criticisms are clearly being taken. Regardless, we just continue to gripe and moan about EVERYTHING without showing a shred of patience. Development takes time. Especially if you want that content to be even remotely decent.
    I feel like we have become immensely disrespectful towards the developers and their ability to deliver good content in such short windows of time. It may not seem like it but FOUR MONTHS isn't exactly a lot of time when it comes to developing a game. Giving constructive criticism is one thing, but our constant demanding everything now now now, just sounds like spoiled toddler behavior.
    Yeah but here's the issue:

    All through out EW people were sick of them spreading out content. No, people do not wait for content they will enjoy after months of content they don't enjoy comes out first. And rather than switch off between who gets to go first (crafter/gatherers vs raiders for example) why not take the fact that you're having longer patch cycles and release both.

    That is the complaint that people have and IS actually the constructive criticism you're asking for. People want more beefier patches. Instead of spreading EVERYTHING OUT like they have been doing (and people are rightfully sick and tired of) release two promised pieces of content on a patch launch.

    Its really not asking for much.

    Edit: And NO MSQ and Alliance Raid does not count.
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    I'm tired of being told to wait for post-patches and expansions for fixes and increased healing requirements that are never coming. Healers are not fun in all forms of content like all jobs should be, they're replaced by tanks and dps due to low healing requirements and their dps kit is small for 0 reason, when in the past we had more options and handled things just fine. I refuse to play healer in roulette come DT. I refuse to heal EXs, I refuse to go into Savage, and I am boycotting Ultimate.

    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

  8. #18
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    Elmind Exilus
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    Quote Originally Posted by yesnt View Post
    Gentle reminder that this is a subscription based game.
    My whole life I have not given a company more money for a game than this one, so yes, I am entitled to receive value for my money and I am also entitled to express my disapproval with the patches. If you can not stand it, then avoid the general forum.

    Yes, developers are people too, but guess what, they are not my friends (and also not yours). This is a business relationship. I give money, they give service. No service, no satisfied customers.
    Gentle reminder that with a subscription-based game, you can subscribe for however long or short you want to. There are plenty of people that just do 1-month subscriptions at a time and then let it expire if they don't find other stuff to do in-game. FFXIV has a veritable mountain of things you can do. Which doesn't mean any particular amount of it needs to appeal to you, but so many people around here seem to act as if content doesn't exist just because they personally don't like it. You've hopefully received plenty of value for your money throughout the time you've been subscribed. It doesn't entitle you to anything specific going forward.

    There's also a variety of ways people can express disapproval with something. Some ways are mature, reasoned, thoughtful critiques that give the developers specific ideas on how they might make the game appeal to a wider audience. Others are immature drivel just trashing everything and personally attacking the developers for what in the end simply amounts to making a different game than the complainer wanted. Guess which take is much, much, much more common on this forum...(and then act surprised when the dev team widely ignores this place).

    The simple reality is that it is not humanly possible to produce content at the rate some people will consume it. Heck, EW released with 60+ hours of content, and even with the login disasters that were locking people out, there were still people who finished everything within a week and then complained that there wasn't more new stuff to do. Thankfully, it's looking increasingly like the dev team has learned to just ignore those people and design their own game on their own reasonable schedule.

    Edit: And NO MSQ and Alliance Raid does not count.
    This invalidates any point you might want to have. As soon as you start with the "I'm right, as long as you ignore everything that shows I'm wrong", you're just admitting you're wrong. So yes, MSQ counts. Alliance raid counts. Every bit of content that you personally don't find interesting counts.
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    Last edited by Striker44; 08-10-2025 at 04:11 AM. Reason: Added last part.

  9. #19
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    Nia Niyah
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    Yeah i really wish all the major content of a patch was at the .X and the .X.X patches were for bug fixes, events, and job changes instead.
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    Hallarem Aurealis
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    The whole "please think of the poor devs" narrative flew right out the window when they've been caught lying to us. Multiple times
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