Wuk Lamat

[Aniise]

I liken her presence to Jar Jar Binks in most scenes.

True, but Jar Jar at least wasn't as omnipresent as her. He was only really annoying in Episode 1. In 2 and 3 he had way fewer appearances. While we got stuck with Little Miss Furrypaws for multiple patches now.

[JMadFour]

Wuk Lamat is not even a BAD character, overall.

She is just too prominent in the back half of the story.

Once she becomes Dawnservant, her story is basically finished, and she should have started fading into the background of the story.

Everything after that should have been focused on Krile and Erenville, but especially Krile.

[Auro_Seldaris]

You're welcome, I'm happy to clarify when people are pleasant to chat with. Good day to you too.

@Striker44, those are known trolls, I'd save my breath if I were you.

You're not the Tone Police. I've already had a run-in with them.

You also don't get to deflect critique or criticism by claiming "they're just trolls".

I'm paying this multi-billion dollar company (actually I'm not anymore). I get to decide what I think is the proper response to low-quality product.

[RedLolly]

As someone who actually liked Zenos...

Then someone in this thread clearly wasn't around for when Stormblood was live, because all anyone did was talk about how annyoing Lyse was and what a boring uninteresting character Zenos was.

And they also must not have been around for when Endwalker was live, becuase all anyone did was complain about how annoyingly nihilistic Hermes A. Fandaniel was, and how they hated that Zenos was back and were glad at his apparent final death.

I was about to make the same comment on Zenos. The general consensus was EW mostly redeemed him, but there is still a base of players that really dislike him (there is an response option on the finale duel that clearly puts him and his motives down for us to choose for a reason). Personally I found him predatory and a necessary evil in the final battle, but written decently well.

I also found Hermes to be a terrifying commentary of severe depression in a society very much not equipped to handle it despite being literally paradise. There is only so much that can be taken from physical comfort and community when the brain juices are broken. Meteion being a terrible attempt to try to ask for help from people that might understand going so poorly was a possibility he likely couldn't even consider (and boy he crashed hard when he learned it!). And then it happens to him AGAIN BUT WORSE within Allag.

Meanwhile I really like DT having Alexandria have almost zero legacy by erasing the dead from the living's memory, but I don't feel like they're exploring it enough yet. We're seeing grown adults have the same reaction to death as a toddler meanwhile most of the copies in Living Memory were content with being deleted.

Wuk Lamat always winning immediately destroyed the Mamook section, to me. Mamook was run through WAY too fast for that kind of sheer horror and deeply ingrained, religious culture, even though you could see the people hated it and we did have a way to move them out of it. Ishgard storylines have attacked that kind of thing from different angles, so I wonder if the writers felt played out? But just because Wuk is the worst kind of shonen protag, she and her posse (Koana, the smart one) fixed it all immediately.

It sucks because Dawntrail had plenty of topics a plot strings that reflect the kind of depth we expect, but they just refused to fo any diving.

[Mawlzy]

It shows what a desert of interesting content 7.X has been when, more than a year after launch, people are still pointing out there was rather too much Wuk Lamat.

[Mawlzy]

Wuk Lamat is not even a BAD character, overall.

She is just too prominent in the back half of the story.

Once she becomes Dawnservant, her story is basically finished, and she should have started fading into the background of the story.

Everything after that should have been focused on Krile and Erenville, but especially Krile.

The problem with Krile and Erenville IMO is that, while both are likeable, they are also intrinsically quite dull.

Like Erenville's whole bit is that he is taciturn, whereas Krile only shines when she's embarrassing Alphinaud. Plus I just don't find someone wielding a paintbrush to be particularly intimidating.

[Auro_Seldaris]

The problem with Krile and Erenville IMO is that, while both are likeable, they are also intrinsically quite dull.

Like Erenville's whole bit is that he is taciturn, whereas Krile only shines when she's embarrassing Alphinaud. Plus I just don't find someone wielding a paintbrush to be particularly intimidating.

Can't disagree with you on anything there. It's why I thought Erenville didn't make for a particularly interesting narrator/ POV character, or even a party member. Silly retconning of his backstory and history aside, his whole schtick is being unflappable and taciturn. Let's be real, he's pretty and that's most of his appeal. Krile is okay, she could have been a decent character but we have a lot of "smart, nice" people around, she needed something to make her stand out from the crowd. DT could have given her that but alas, it was Llama Tea all the way down. And I agree, the paintbrush and palette aren't exactly fearsome, but that's why it was ok for a mid tier support character like her to have it.

I mean look, even the devs don't care about Krile. They just literally forgot her in the EW poster art. Then when she gets the big moment to use her orphan trinket to open the gate, she .... gets denied. (That moment really, REALLY convinced me they hate her. Can't let her have ONE moment, Sad Lizard Lad has to do it for her.)

But fundamentally I agree, they are kinda boring as characters.

[AmiableApkallu]

Meanwhile I really like DT having Alexandria have almost zero legacy by erasing the dead from the living's memory, but I don't feel like they're exploring it enough yet. We're seeing grown adults have the same reaction to death as a toddler meanwhile most of the copies in Living Memory were content with being deleted.

Regarding death, Alexandria stands in complete contrast to the Yok Huy, something I don't think the story as told makes any effort to encourage you to ponder.

[Auro_Seldaris]

Regarding death, Alexandria stands in complete contrast to the Yok Huy, something I don't think the story as told makes any effort to encourage you to ponder.

PRECISELY.

It's one of those points that is literally never mentioned or dwelled on. Meanwhile we can repeat the same lines about peas and happiness and how regulators work like, 6 times. Baffling.

[Exmo]

Regarding death, Alexandria stands in complete contrast to the Yok Huy, something I don't think the story as told makes any effort to encourage you to ponder.

I think players are expected to have the minimum amount of literacy needed to gather obvious meaning from clearly presented contrasts on their own. Lord knows there's plenty on the forums who complain when the story tells them What It's About. We can hardly chastise the writers for using something as exotic as subtext.