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  1. #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atma View Post
    Sweet Baby mentioned, opinion discarded. I've seen the opinions of people who are still obsessing over that company, and none of them are positive or good.
    Exhibit A of those who lack nuance and intellect.
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  2. #82
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinFreeman View Post
    Exhibit A of those who lack nuance and intellect.
    Indeed - people who mention SB are Exhibit A of those lacking a lot of things...
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  3. #83
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    the problem of why the expension is also hated is because of the potential it have. I don't know if I am the only one but Wuk Lamat in DT is way different then post Endwalker. she doesnt growth like any other character either other then "I love my people" like thats all there is all of her action are only for people happiness and nothing else. it isn't bad in itself but when I can describe her as people lover and nothing else I think there is a problem.

    at one point to koana apologize for trying to make science prominent instead of tradition. Like yes he use science to help the people to he never pushed science into anyone. like no he did not why is he apologizing like of he was the bad guy!? the expension was made to fail and everyone saw it way faster then they expected. after a point the expression felt like a huge defence of the trans community it felt like a aganda over a game but again the community is so divided that at one point anyone who hated DT was transphobic and whatever it is now days.


    Now dawntrail as everything slowly started to fall back in place is seen as bad over all. healer got Shafted so much that most have left the game all job are now more alike yet everyone fight over a dam glamour piece over trying to make the game and job unique obviously that's the problem right?
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  4. #84
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    Atma's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinFreeman View Post
    Exhibit A of those who lack nuance and intellect.
    No nuance is needed here. It's a clear tell as to whom you spend your time surrounded by and from whom you derive your opinions and worldview. None of them are the cause of, or solution to, Dawntrail's problems.
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  5. #85
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlucaDragonheart View Post
    Judging by how angry Wuk got in the trailer, and the blood on her hands/axe, I'm pretty sure she'll have to kill the real Sphene who gets possessed by the Tiara and becomes evil.
    With the current team this is an mess up of epic proportions I could 100% see them making.

    With as loved as Sphene is and how detested Wuk is, the ensuing player reaction would almost make this worth it. Yoshi PR would also respond with "we didn't know just how much you guys liked Sphene and hated Wuk! Wuk isn't bad you guys just really need to give her a chance and Sphene was always set up to be the bad guy." Then they would resurrect Sphene somehow (again) and still not understand what they did wrong.

    The best part of this though is that the backlash would be so severe it may actually create the change we are desperate for, since SE would have to pull a Blizzard style reconstruction of the team to gain back customer confidence.
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  6. #86
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    Quote Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia View Post
    With the current team this is an mess up of epic proportions I could 100% see them making.

    With as loved as Sphene is and how detested Wuk is, the ensuing player reaction would almost make this worth it. Yoshi PR would also respond with "we didn't know just how much you guys liked Sphene and hated Wuk! Wuk isn't bad you guys just really need to give her a chance and Sphene was always set up to be the bad guy." Then they would resurrect Sphene somehow (again) and still not understand what they did wrong.

    The best part of this though is that the backlash would be so severe it may actually create the change we are desperate for, since SE would have to pull a Blizzard style reconstruction of the team to gain back customer confidence.
    I'd be hard-pressed to believe that they didn't realize that Sphene became a fan favorite pretty rapidly. I simply cannot see them going full Sylvanas here. At least I hope not. You never go full Sylvanas.
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  7. #87
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atma View Post
    I'd be hard-pressed to believe that they didn't realize that Sphene became a fan favorite pretty rapidly. I simply cannot see them going full Sylvanas here. At least I hope not. You never go full Sylvanas.
    They tried to sell us a bargin bin shonen manga and then tried to gaslight us into thinking it wasn't that bad and that Wuk was an under appreciated character immediately after rushing the ending of the Zodiarc saga for no reason outside of Yoshi's boredom with it. I could 100% see them using the excuse of the patch was done way in advance and couldn't be changed so they just tweaked Wuk's dialog a bit to compensate and then added an obviously rushed Sphene resurrection scene, via the power of friendship, to try to avoid most the backlash. Then make us some other excuse about whats happening going forward, but either never deliver on that promise or just do the fastest, easiest, and most basic thing they could do since they can seldom be bothered with XIV.

    As you can see, my confidence in this team has fallen so far it can barely even see the light of hope anymore.
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  8. #88
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    Quote Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia View Post
    rushing the ending of the Zodiarc saga for no reason outside of Yoshi's boredom with it
    This. This x100. Mr. Rockstar is getting bored with being saddled with XIV, he is clearly checked out of it and wanting to move on to bigger and better things, or at least different things.

    I really do think he believed they cooked with XVI and he was gonna get praised as the man who not only saved XIV , but the whole damn FF franchise. He thought his ticket outta here was punched and then the tepid reaction to XVI hit and he didn't get the praise he expected. So now he's stuck, caretaker of a task he no longer has the passion to perform. And all he can do is sit on stream and play other games, hold up pieces of paper, and BS about going to concerts.

    Oh, and tell YOU to go play other games also, since he can't be arsed to make his own game good anymore.
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  9. #89
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auro_Seldaris View Post
    This. This x100. Mr. Rockstar is getting bored with being saddled with XIV, he is clearly checked out of it and wanting to move on to bigger and better things, or at least different things.

    I really do think he believed they cooked with XVI and he was gonna get praised as the man who not only saved XIV , but the whole damn FF franchise. He thought his ticket outta here was punched and then the tepid reaction to XVI hit and he didn't get the praise he expected. So now he's stuck, caretaker of a task he no longer has the passion to perform. And all he can do is sit on stream and play other games, hold up pieces of paper, and BS about going to concerts.

    Oh, and tell YOU to go play other games also, since he can't be arsed to make his own game good anymore.
    On this one aspect, I just want to say this.

    I'm not gonna be the world's biggest Yoshi-P defender or anything, because I do think there's either apathy, not listening to what people are saying, overconfidence in his own vision, disinterest, slacking, divided attention, and likely some combination of all of that going on right now. But I do think it's important for MMO producers to tell people that it's OK to go play other games.

    It's not really true in these days, but back like 5-10 years ago - the expectation was, and systems were designed to the effect of, you being required to devote yourself to them over all other games to 'keep up.' So it was natural people played FFXIV like that, when it was (for the most part, a few things notwithstanding) not designed to be that way. I personally did think "it's ok to take a break and play other games" was an important message at the time it was said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atma View Post
    On this one aspect, I just want to say this.

    I'm not gonna be the world's biggest Yoshi-P defender or anything, because I do think there's either apathy, not listening to what people are saying, overconfidence in his own vision, disinterest, slacking, divided attention, and likely some combination of all of that going on right now. But I do think it's important for MMO producers to tell people that it's OK to go play other games.

    It's not really true in these days, but back like 5-10 years ago - the expectation was, and systems were designed to the effect of, you being required to devote yourself to them over all other games to 'keep up.' So it was natural people played FFXIV like that, when it was (for the most part, a few things notwithstanding) not designed to be that way. I personally did think "it's ok to take a break and play other games" was an important message at the time it was said.
    Yes. At the time it was said. Not now.

    My counter to this is that certain elements of the community use it as an excuse to deflect criticism of the team back onto YOU, the player. It's become a catch-all for excusing complacency from the dev team, excusing lazy design, or just outright getting rid of people that certain parts of the community find troublesome.

    "You're just burned out/a hater/not a TRUE fan, go play other games like Yoshia said."
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