Big confusion about Pentamelding. (I'm dumb)

[Kirutsuki]

I never realized pentamelding meant you have to fill all 5slots for it to be considered pentamelding.

So when people and guides say: "you don't need to pentameld" I assumed you didn't need to go so heavily into overmelding territory in general. So when I was trying to craft stuff I kept hitting these odd walls where I just didn't have enough craftsmanship or CP.

But it turns out you kinda still need tetrameld at the very least to hit alot of the craft requirements. And thats atleast 4 materias on almost every piece of gear. (2-3 overmelds depending on piece)

I just somehow thought pentamelding meant that you overmeld heavily, not that you overmeld all slots.

This is what happens when you're not fluent in Greek prefixes.

just wish more guides actually stated "but you still need to overmeld pretty heavily" instead of just leaving it out and people find out the hard way.

It also hurts cause I thought I could save up on some materia for 7.3 gear, but it turns out I probably can't even craft that gear unless I tetrameld bare minimum.

[Rinoa_353]

Here is a very helpful guide for melding and it comes with a high tier (penatmelded BiS), mid tier and budget tier for materia melding. I always go for pentamelding BiS and while expensive but it gives me the peace of mind I'll be able to craft anything and once 7.3 arrives, the new tier of DoH/DoL gear will be good until 8.0, so it'll be worth it and good for a year or more. I'm going on a crafting marathon this weekend to turn in as many collectables for materia, I will need hundreds of each since I'm pentamelding my gear for both my mains xD


https://www.icy-veins.com/ffxiv/craf...-stat-priority

[Kirutsuki]

Here is a very helpful guide...


https://www.icy-veins.com/ffxiv/craf...-stat-priority

Yeha I'm slightly above mid-tier now without Everseeker's tools, which I am now making cause I kinda need the easier melding slots for some extra CP just in case.
But overall when I was watching some guides I just got this notion that melding wasn't so-so important just yet, but they were specifically talking about pentamelding bis.

So I just got bamboozled into thinking I could skip. But yea, good to know there is a site that gives a mid-tier & budget options as Gillionaire site only has BiS examples.

I'm also doing collectables, but I'm not sure if I should save the orange scripts for crafting materials for the new gear or buying materia?

[All_Nonsense]

You successfully affix the Craftsman's Cunning XI Materia. 109 Materia were lost

Now do it agane

[Gwenkatsu]

You successfully affix the Craftsman's Cunning XI Materia. 109 Materia were lost

Now do it agane

Meanwhile the guy standing next to you:

You successfully affix the Craftsman's Cunning XI Materia. 2 Materia were lost

[Jeeqbit]

I never realized pentamelding meant you have to fill all 5slots for it to be considered pentamelding.

This is what happens when you're not fluent in Greek prefixes.

While most people won't be, since there are 5 slots, I didn't see the need to know what penta means since I could tell by the 5 slots.

I do however know that the greek words for numbers are like that. Over the years I've slowly memorized most of the ones up to number 10. But it's only because the same greek terms have come up again and again for over 30 years for me, especially playing FF and scifi games that like to utilize it.

So when people and guides say: "you don't need to pentameld" I assumed you didn't need to go so heavily into overmelding territory in general.

Mostly I tell people they don't need to pentameld for battle content, because they don't. However, crafting/gathering may be different. I've seen people say in recent years that it doesn't matter as much for many purposes, due to crafting/gathering being casualized, but it still could and I think the main thing is usually hitting certain stat thresholds regardless of the way you go about it.

[Kirutsuki]

While most people won't be, since there are 5 slots, I didn't see the need to know what penta means since I could tell by the 5 slots.

I mean I very rarely if ever have heard "penta" in a videogame specifically outside of FF14. Hexa I hear often or tri and Octa, but those generally come to me from Hexagon, Triangle and Octagon, not the greek prefixes.
So Penta is extremely out of the left field for me as a concept for something with 5.

And why is it that we only use Pentameld, very rarely do I hear the usage of tetrameld or trimeld. Because of all of these I just assumed it was a way to say you are overmelding alot (above 3).

Mostly I tell people they don't need to pentameld...

Now that I KNOW what pentamelding actually means, it makes sense that guides or people tell you it's not a necessity. Cause it's not.
But if you don't have that context of wht pentamelding is, it can easily just direct you to the opposite end of not overmelding almost at all and hoping things work out.

But yea that sort of thing probably doesn't happen all that much and it's just a problem I had created for myself for not understanding the differences.

[Momiji_I]

You mentioned it in your original post, but I would strongly suggest waiting for 7.3 to add extra materias to your current gear.

Very experienced crafters will suggest "cheap" builds that meet the requirements to craft the 7.3 gear. If you upgrade your gear now, you may find in a week that an expensive overmeld is not required, or another type of materia is preferred in that slot. I would save your materia (they will explode in price) and wait for the patch to release, and see from there if you need to upgrade. There is also some flexibility in the suggested builds. You may find that a rank V materia is suggested, but rank of the same type VII is 1/5 of the price because everyone laser-focused the exact suggestions.

To add to Jeeqbit's comment, pentamelding for crafters and gatherers is mostly used to expedite the process. DoL with stronger melds will hit more breakpoints and increase their yield. Lower-geared DoL will probably need more node spawns to gather the same amount of time-gated materials.
Pentamelded DoH will be able to craft with less HQ materials, so they can use cheaper NQ intermediates (ingots, gemsaps, lumbers etc.) which are also faster to make. As a result, they can craft faster for lower cost and increase their profits. If you just want to make your own gear (and maybe a couple of pieces for friends), the budget set is perfectly fine. You will simply need more time than if you were using a more expensive build.

[Gwenkatsu]

I mean I very rarely if ever have heard "penta" in a videogame specifically outside of FF14. Hexa I hear often or tri and Octa, but those generally come to me from Hexagon, Triangle and Octagon, not the greek prefixes.
So Penta is extremely out of the left field for me as a concept for something with 5.

Have you ever seen a picture of the Pentagon (US Department of Defense)? Count the building's corners, then you know where the name comes from

[Doki]

Back in my day, when you failed to meld materia to gear... THE GEAR BLEW UP. Dalamud did nothing wrong.