Phoenix Down in 4-Player Content is a Great Idea

[mallleable]

You are very optimistic about this lol. That's what I thought initially but cynicism prevails in the end.

Even if we assume this is being done primarily to make 4 player fights, especially group deep dungeons easier, and more forgiving, it's a decision that cannot be made in a vacuum. Even if we don't get get any job changes in 7.3, the dominoes are already falling.

[Supersnow845]

This is a change that needed to be announced alongside other things changing like “we hear your point that making healers super easy and tanks super overpowered to try to remove the failure point for the healer isn’t working so we are introducing Phoenix downs and reworking the design of tanks and healers to accomodate”

Instead if they don’t change anything then nothing will change, the idiots who solo the boss from 60% health will “forget” to bring Phoenix downs so they can still solo the boss or otherwise the trigger happy DNC will Phoenix down the SAM 0.4 seconds after they die when the healer was preparing swiftcast and put in on CD for 5 minutes. Anyone who has played a healer in an alliance raid knows that casters are chomping at the bit to drop their entire rotation to rezz over the healer so assuming that everyone will patiently wait for the healer themself to die before using it is unlikely to happen

Then we just end up back in the current situation

[Raikai]

Hopefully this means that in the future the limitation about other duties can be lifted so RDM and SMN won't be taxed on their raises anymore.

To balance things out, they'd have to change how Ressurection and Verraise works: Same recast time as a phoenix down. This means that action remains more like a perk of an "extra Phoenix Down that is instant cast" rather than an identity defining element that impacts into their dps.

[Veritas-Ancora]

I am hopeful that this is a "Step 1" in making the expert dungeons just a little more challenging.

I'm not saying "MAKE THEM EXTREME TRIAL DIFFICULT" -- just making some of the mechanics a little more one-shot if it was an idiot move. Still maintain it so it's fun to play but give the punishment something other than a vuln stack.

Maybe give the player a "slow" debuff when they need to run to the other side of the stage, giving healers a reason to pull them over or they die.

[Veritas-Ancora]

Devs, please make Phoenix Downs available at the GC (Grand Company).

We're always looking for reasons to spend Grand Company seals and that should ensure that more people have a full stock of Phoenix Downs.

[PercibelTheren]

Very glad they have a purpose besides deep dungeons now.

[Pip_Chick]

Well...R.I.P Healers....again...

[Kranel_San]

Bold of you assuming someone will even bring a healer outside duty finder. Not even a RDM or SMN will be required anymore.

You know this is just for any 4-man content right? Normal raids, ally raids, trials, extremes, and ultimates won't have Phoenix downs working there.

[Supersnow845]

You know this is just for any 4-man content right? Normal raids, ally raids, trials, extremes, and ultimates won't have Phoenix downs working there.

It’s just your dots

It’s just your complexity

It’s just tanks helping you

It’s just super competant players who don’t need you

It’s just 4 man content

What’s next “it’s just an option to select ‘no healer in DF’”

The phrase “death by a thousand cuts” has apparently been forgotten

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

You know this is just for any 4-man content right? Normal raids, ally raids, trials, extremes, and ultimates won't have Phoenix downs working there.

I'd wager they're trying to see how far they can go, starting from 4-mans for now. There's no guarantee they will actually pull that off, but there's also no reason to not suspect that outcome.

Hopefully this means that in the future the limitation about other duties can be lifted so RDM and SMN won't be taxed on their raises anymore[...]

NGL I kinda wish RDM and SMN raises instantly inflicts BoD so at the very least it'll give reasons for healer to handle the first raises. Or hey.. give one of the healer a niche to ignore Weakness/BoD maybe WHM.