Mouse/Keyboard vs. Controller: Your Thoughts

[Enfarious]

I tried telling them this but because you have to hit 2 buttons, they're going to say you're wrong. Completely disregarding the fact that you can hold one of those buttons down for as long as you need to, as well as press it simultaneously with the confirm button to hit your macro.

Actually if we're talking about macros, it is the same number of button presses. You have to press some keybind to bring the macro bar up, by default it's Ctrl and Alt. Hitting Ctrl + 1 is the same as me hitting LT + A.

If we're talking about a light shot contest, we can both sit on the same bar and hit the same skill all day for the same delay. Only takes one button press if we're talking about the same skill. Also the recast timer on it does bring up a good point. You can get a good amount done and return to 1 for Light Shot before it's up. Not to mention the fact that other classes don't have this problem because they just auto-attack anyway.

Yeah I just wanted to attempt to reinforce it some. It doesn't really matter the actual argument is something like, "I'm one of the 'best' players and only play with the 'best', if you don't play the way I think you should(aka the way I play) you can't possibly be good at the game. Therefore you should quit now before your suckiness starts to spread."

The simple fact is that the don't want to accept that another way can be just as good as theirs.

[Enfarious]

are some of you guys being deliberately obtuse or do you seriously not understand? help me out. i've already explained in great detail why gamepad will always always always always be slower and always always always have a lower net dps ceiling than keyboard/mouse. if you don't understand, reread what i said and think really hard about it. objectively. if you disagree you're allowed to, but you're wrong. period. why are you still arguing about it?

I'm not your phenomenally sound scientific proof has changed my mind and I've thrown away all my controllers and begun to practice so I can be as good as you...

[Jynx]

I prefer keyboard but I know a few people who are on the ball with a controller.

[Jocko]

[Raymeo]

Also dig around somewhere for Yoshi's post on his targetting setup, it works great!

I have dug and dug to no avail. Anybody have a link?

[Arcell]

For healing duty Mouse+Key board only.

You just cannot even BEGIN to compare the two. For a slightly less stressful muti-target roles I find the controller more relaxing for sit back in couch play.

You can begin to compare them, if you set yourself up right and think ahead you can heal just fine with a controller. It might be a fraction of a second slower than keyboard/mouse but you can still do it quite quickly. People here have stated that they have no issue healing with a gamepad.

I concede that you lose on those fractions of a second but in the grand scheme such things are negligible unless you're going for top 100% super max efficiency.

[Enfarious]

You can begin to compare them, if you set yourself up right and think ahead you can heal just fine with a controller. It might be a fraction of a second slower than keyboard/mouse but you can still do it quite quickly. People here have stated that they have no issue healing with a gamepad.

I concede that you lose on those fractions of a second but in the grand scheme such things are negligible unless you're going for top 100% super max efficiency.

Even if your shooting for the moon it's irrelevant, recast timers people, unless you've all found out how to turn them off so you can use everything freely, please do tell how. You can mash cure w/ a mouse, kbd key, or buttons on a controller. It does not cooldown any faster cause you press 1/1000th of a second faster than the next guy.

Maybe I've been playing wrong though, I know that's some peoples mind set, but I though really really though I had to wait for the recasts, I just can't find in the config where you turn them off, please help me out.

[Alastor]

Even if your shooting for the moon it's irrelevant, recast timers people, unless you've all found out how to turn them off so you can use everything freely, please do tell how. You can mash cure w/ a mouse, kbd key, or buttons on a controller. It does not cooldown any faster cause you press 1/1000th of a second faster than the next guy.

Maybe I've been playing wrong though, I know that's some peoples mind set, but I though really really though I had to wait for the recasts, I just can't find in the config where you turn them off, please help me out.

That's the point some pro-controller people are trying to make. Though, in favor of the k/m users, they would have a split second head-start, which does give them a slight advantage in tempo (their abilities will be available that split-second sooner).

I still do stand by my change to the controller. I'm not sure why people are trying to legitimately discount one way of playing over another. It's all about preference. I simply prefer the controller.

[ShinChuck]

Controller is still not up to snuff if you've used the UIs of many of the other MMOs out there.

Remember, "better" doesn't mean "ideal", and controller gameplay is definitely not meeting MMO control standards. Menu navigation, for one, is slower than mouse navigation could and should be, and action bars thrive on keyboard over controllers.

So yes, I do play with a controller, but done right, a mouse and keyboard could be far superior. We'll see come 2.0 how they handle it!

[Zaaku]

You can begin to compare them, if you set yourself up right and think ahead you can heal just fine with a controller. It might be a fraction of a second slower than keyboard/mouse but you can still do it quite quickly. People here have stated that they have no issue healing with a gamepad.

I concede that you lose on those fractions of a second but in the grand scheme such things are negligible unless you're going for top 100% super max efficiency.

It is less about the time it takes to target a PT member and more along the lines of seeing the trauma victim's health bar on the right and being able to just click it. Even if it is only a tiny bit quicker it is much more accurate IMO and I can be confident that I will always select the target I need.

Going up and down on the thumb pad works too but if someone gets out of range or is otherwise ineligible for targeting it can throw off your count and you may come in over or short on your party list. It is doable but I'd personally just not rather risk it.