Mouse/Keyboard vs. Controller: Your Thoughts

[Krausus]

no, you can't. because it still takes more button presses, even if only one more. furthermore, there is known macro lag thanks to our wonderful client-server relationship. if we were to have a light shot quick draw contest where all i have to do is hit 1 over and over and you have to keep hitting a macro, over an indefinite timeline i will *most assuredly* get in more light shots than you.

your preference is your preference, but be objective.

what does it matter I can use light shot non-macro with a controller just as fast as you can with keyboard because it doesnt matter if I have to move back and forth or up and down and you dont if stuff is on cooldown while you are moving anyways.

[Denmo]

Awesome. Thread is moving into "I can do more Light shots than you" mode.

[Frein]

Actually, as a rebuttal, I've tried both clicking and full keyboard methods in WoW, and I've been immensely more successful as a clicker. This is a personal thing, of course. A new player who has no idea what their abilities do or where they are is going to take a long time with a mouse, searching for the abilities. As a practiced player, I never had any issues keeping up with keyboard players. Furthermore, the mouse has become a very viable option due to the addition of add-ons that allow you to move your abilities across the screen and the wide-spread use of gaming mouses like the Naga, which have the extra buttons. I use the keyboard with my right hand for movement, targeting, and push-to-talk, but my mouse is my number one tool when it comes to WoW.

I'd hate to turn this into a WoW debate from 2005, but this is just mostly nonsense, so I'm going to post a rebuttal anyway. The reason why I would always be behind the back of a clicker was because they controlled the character's rotation with the keyboard rather than the mouse. This made them turn very slowly as opposed to the near instant 180 degree turn of a mouse. The reason they were forced to do so is that the mouse controlled ability use and you couldn't mouse turn and click an ability at the same time.

Abilities bound to mouse buttons are a legitimate reason to trigger abilities using the mouse (I did this too) but that's not the same thing as clicking at the graphical interface. The key is having your abilities behind a single button press available at all times while simultaneously retaining maximum mobility control. Because of the number of needed commands, I don't believe it is possible to achieve this using only a mouse even if it has a ton of programmable buttons, so keyboard hotkeys are necessary. Especially hunters needed to be able to jump, turn around mid-jump to fire an ability and land facing their original running direction and this maneuver is physically impossible to perform if clicking is involved.

Also, there never were any top competitive PVPers that clicked their abilities.

[Gramul]

Fair explanation 1

Fair explanation 2

Honestly you're talking about split seconds of difference to a point where it doesn't make that much difference in the long run. Especially with fights this short.
But you are right. k/m is strictly faster.

[Impulse]

As someone who started XI at PS2 launch, I stuck with a controller throughout XI on all platforms. Started XIV off this way in beta as well, until I took a break around this time last year. By the time I came back, my controller finally broke after years of use.

From there I started using KB/mouse and found it a hell of a lot easier than a controller.
Being able to just click on targets or the party list is just so much easier than cycling through with the D-pad (even with filters). Being able to adjust keybinds freely (for the most part) is a plus and a huge improvement since launch.
I've tried going back to using a controller but outside of playing on the TV from my couch, it feels strange.

[Enfarious]

no, you can't. because it still takes more button presses, even if only one more. furthermore, there is known macro lag thanks to our wonderful client-server relationship. if we were to have a light shot quick draw contest where all i have to do is hit 1 over and over and you have to keep hitting a macro, over an indefinite timeline i will *most assuredly* get in more light shots than you.

your preference is your preference, but be objective.

Objectivity ... wish we all were.
I do indeed have to press 2 buttons, and have 1 finger on each at all times, my macro for lightshot has 10 lines of
/ac
/wait
if I do something to break it w/e I restart it
holding down a trigger at the same time as pressing "X" does not take me longer than pressing the "1" key.
You seem to be attempting to make it sound like the 2 buttons on the controller require some ghastly repositioning of my hands, I can mash "X" on the action bar faster than the recast for lightshot, I can also go from lightshot to another skill in less than the recast, yes and back. Your not going to tell me there's no recast on lightshot now are you.

Your arguments are w/o merit.

[Enfarious]

Honestly you're talking about split seconds of difference to a point where it doesn't make that much difference in the long run. Especially with fights this short.
But you are right. k/m is strictly faster.

Course it's really all moot, the recast on lightshot, or anything else is what equalizes it all, I can easily use a controller to get from action 1 to action 30 and back in the time it takes to be able to re lightshot.
Unless they removed the lightshot recast? At which point I can just sit and mash "X" all day.

[Arcell]

Objectivity ... wish we all were.
I do indeed have to press 2 buttons, and have 1 finger on each at all times, my macro for lightshot has 10 lines of
/ac
/wait
if I do something to break it w/e I restart it
holding down a trigger at the same time as pressing "X" does not take me longer than pressing the "1" key.
You seem to be attempting to make it sound like the 2 buttons on the controller require some ghastly repositioning of my hands, I can mash "X" on the action bar faster than the recast for lightshot, I can also go from lightshot to another skill in less than the recast, yes and back. Your not going to tell me there's no recast on lightshot now are you.

Your arguments are w/o merit.

I tried telling them this but because you have to hit 2 buttons, they're going to say you're wrong. Completely disregarding the fact that you can hold one of those buttons down for as long as you need to, as well as press it simultaneously with the confirm button to hit your macro.

Actually if we're talking about macros, it is the same number of button presses. You have to press some keybind to bring the macro bar up, by default it's Ctrl and Alt. Hitting Ctrl + 1 is the same as me hitting LT + A.

If we're talking about a light shot contest, we can both sit on the same bar and hit the same skill all day for the same delay. Only takes one button press if we're talking about the same skill. Also the recast timer on it does bring up a good point. You can get a good amount done and return to 1 for Light Shot before it's up. Not to mention the fact that other classes don't have this problem because they just auto-attack anyway.

[fusional]

are some of you guys being deliberately obtuse or do you seriously not understand? help me out. i've already explained in great detail why gamepad will always always always always be slower and always always always have a lower net dps ceiling than keyboard/mouse. if you don't understand, reread what i said and think really hard about it. objectively. if you disagree you're allowed to, but you're wrong. period. why are you still arguing about it?

[Zaaku]

For healing duty Mouse+Key board only.

You just cannot even BEGIN to compare the two. For a slightly less stressful muti-target roles I find the controller more relaxing for sit back in couch play.