Potential Housing Crisis Fix (Includes ability for permanent Housing (Sm, Med, Lrg)

[s32ialx]

You have a alternate option if want to engage with housing without a plot...Ask me.what it is.

I'm not engaging with you, you are just rehashing the same nonsense, you are a problematic user who does not add to any conversation in here and only try to stir the pot, you're just a troll who knows Apartments are not even remotely a viable option for housing in their current iteration and limitations otherwise you would have settled with that yourself 8 years ago but no you have multiple plots because you see the need and desire for an even SEMI functional housing option that supersedes apartments in their current iteration. Please just leave my thread now this is not for trolls like you to just press buttons and try to instigate an argument. Gatekeepers like you are not welcome in this thread.

[Solowing]

I'm not engaging with you, you are just rehashing the same nonsense, you are a problematic user who does not add to any conversation in here and only try to stir the pot, you're just a troll who knows Apartments are not even remotely a viable option for housing in their current iteration and limitations otherwise you would have settled with that yourself 8 years ago but no you have multiple plots because you see the need and desire for an even SEMI functional housing option that supersedes apartments in their current iteration. Please just leave my thread now this is not for trolls like you to just press buttons and try to instigate an argument. Gatekeepers like you are not welcome in this thread.

Am I really gatekeeping you? When I didn't start with anything either? I play the game just as you did and luck into my plots, but I did what I could to increase my own odds.and looked for what players didn't want. I didn't look for a medium or a large, too much competition, I looked for the smalls the players overlooked for the bigger plots.

If apartments are so bad , why do I have five of them?

If they were bad I shouldn't have anything outside of a storage unit right? You are welcomed to come by and take a look yourself.

I really like housing..My interest in the system isn't contingent on the size of the space, but the ability to access a space.

[Solowing]

I do find it amusing that you are trying to shoo me out of the thread because I don't agree with you. Which is a known trait of the community.

I spent most of my time in the housing ward. So why are my takes so problematic to you?

Why when I walk around most of the ward houses are empty. And I look at the apartments and it's typically plenty of open housing units.

But when I go to a major city, most of the players congregate in hubs. Like players don't want to be isolated in instances...

So let's say they rework the system. The players who dont wanna be isolated in a instance are still goimg to be in the hubs are still going to stay there the players who still rather be in their housing units, which are gonna be the minority of players.Are still gonna be in their housing units and the players who don't care simply don't care simply don't care.

Reality is housing is so sought after because of its limited nature. If the players won't engage with apartments because they think they're inferior. When you can literally do everything in apartment that you could do in a small. The only thing you can't do is have co tenants. Because when I ask people what limitations do you have in apartment?I give them a freebie an say (can't have a co tenant) then I ask for another thing that you can't do in an apt that you can do in a small and none of you ever give a response to that, I tossed you an example, now give me one?

We reworked the system to end up back in the same place. When other parts of the game desperately could use more resources.

[Shistar]

If the players won't engage with apartments because they think they're inferior. When you can literally do everything in apartment that you could do in a small. The only thing you can't do is have co tenants.

Not true. Here's a list of stuff that makes them worse than the smallest plot, off the top of my head:

- Cannot have co-tenants (as you previously mentioned, but any friends can teleport to your apartment building if you allow it in the settings) and thus you cannot get any help with decorating it unless you use "sorcery"
- Cannot do any gardening besides flower-growing, because you don't have access to gardening plots. You are limited to 2 flower pots, which is the same as cottages at least.
- You can only place 4 aquariums vs. a cottage's 6 (mediums can have 8, larges can have 10)
- You can only place 2 crafting facilities vs. a cottage's 4 (mediums can have 6, larges can have 8)
- You can only place 4 vendors vs. a cottage's 6 (mediums can have 8, larges can have 10)
- You are limited to an item slot limit of 100 vs. a cottage's 200 (mediums get 300, larges get 400)
- Cannot have any outdoor storage even if you don't use it, because you don't own any outdoor spaces (0 slots vs. a cottage's 20 slots of storage + 20 slots of placed items)
- Cannot perform floating glitches that involve having a basement, since it is only one floor. You can only float items upwards unless you use "sorcery"
- Cannot change the look of your door, windows or pillars, as they're currently tied to the district you buy the apartment in

They are objectively inferior. They are meant to be. Otherwise, why would anyone bother being subjected to the autodemolition timer when apartments get these perks?

- Don't have to ever worry about it being demo'd, unless you move to another world (if you are moving to a new world they will literally pay you your apartment's worth, so it's even beneficial to have one on the off-chance you consider moving in the future)
- It is much cheaper than the cheapest cottage, with a set price of 500k for any apartment no matter the district
- Free delivery moogle, mender and merchant are all in the lobby for you to use without having to spend any item slots placing them inside your room. The lobby and immediate outside also get decorated for seasonal events, which requires no work or item slots from you. Some plots happen to be right where all the decor is, while some others get nothing or are limited at being able to gaze at it from afar. Whether you think this is a pro or a con is completely personal opinion, but I'm putting it in the pros list because I think it's cute
- A chocobo stable (if another player decides to clean it, you will also benefit from this without having to do anything), summoning bell, marketboard and mini-aetheryte are conveniently placed at the entrance for you to use without spending any extra item slots. This also means you can teleport there without placing your own mini-aetheryte. If your plot is close to the apartment building, I recommend getting rid of your garden aetheryte and just buying an apartment in your division lol
- They're super easy to obtain, unless you're on one of those extremely populated servers
- They're smaller (duh), which makes the space-to-slots ratio better overall. The bigger your house, the more sparsely decorated it's going to look because the item slot and the space don't grow at the same rate


I think apartments are great if you're not all that into housing but want to reap the basic benefits of it, I use mine mainly for cheaper teleporting to the other side of the world or as a supplement to a plot's storage, but they're not equal. They were never created to be. If any updates come to apartments, expect housing plots to get the best part of it, and much earlier too. We already saw it with the housing interior swapping system, which sadly apartments and FC rooms didn't get any of. I was looking forward to removing the pillars from my FC room the most.

[Solowing]

Yes, you cannot have code tenants.

Yes, you cannot have an exterior because technically. You're purchasing an interior, not a plot.

However I am not counting items with item limits to them because they can be placed. You are not unable to place it, it just has a limit on how many you can have of a item type.

But let's use your example of players glitching things through the floor via add ons. That's something exclusive to the pc add on users. Anyone that does not have addons or is console cannot do this. That is something players who don't have them cannot do, regardless of sizes plot they own. I'm looking for examples of things that you simply cannot do in an apartment that could be normally done in a plot. Such as the thematic changes that they added to the plots recently, something that Apts can't do (yet)

I appreciate you at least understanding that the apartments were never supposed to be on par with the house because they want you to want a plot (to put you on the demolition timer) You get a baseline experience with apartment housing. If you want to engage with ward plots,you're going to have to bid.

I do appreciate your reply though. I do feel games exist to give up a degree of friction to get to the shiny things.

[Shistar]

But let's use your example of players glitching things through the floor via add ons. That's something exclusive to the pc add on users. Anyone that does not have addons or is console cannot do this. That is something players who don't have them cannot do, regardless of sizes plot they own.

Yes, and no. You may not be able to perform them yourself, but if you have a plot, you can allow a user that has the add-on to do it on your plot, and thus you can get access to it. With an apartment, you can't get access to that unless you're the one using the add-on, as you said. That's why I counted it!

[EmilySummerstar]

What about making some really nice mansions that are really cheap and always available but when you move in, you find that the previous owner left a bunch of their stuff behind. It's as if they left in a big hurry.

[Burmecia]

I can't see how this is that much different compared to the apartments.
Except the size choice, and ability to house whole FC in them.
Both of those things people have been asking separately, especially the size choice.

[Solowing]

Yes, and no. You may not be able to perform them yourself, but if you have a plot, you can allow a user that has the add-on to do it on your plot, and thus you can get access to it. With an apartment, you can't get access to that unless you're the one using the add-on, as you said. That's why I counted it!

That's contingent really on somebody else and the version of the game they purchased. I am Playstation exclusive. As well as xBox players or those not comfortable downloading add-ons, would not have the ability to do so themselves. It's contingent of 2 conditions are you pc? and do you use housing addons

(This part is just a player to player comment)

I'll never kneel and grovel before the PC Upper-crust for their help! Us NON- Addon users can make a space up there with the best of them. Their addons make it easier. But something is lost in that. The actual careful consideration, the time spent working on setting it all up, the process of making sure all the pieces are immaculately placed, and then having to become a 1 person construction crew. My last 2 rooms took me 2 weeks to do, and I'm sure you'd say "Solowing that FOREVER!" and I'd be inclined to agree. And by the end the decoration period youll make something youll enjoy and you'll sit in but if it takes you like an hour to decorate it fully it's cool but it's missing the Journey


But I've come to enjoy that mental serenity where you're just spending time setting it all up to get everything. Your thoughts are allowed to roam, your creativity and problem solving skills are sometimes tested. You get out of the system what you put into it. Effort and creativity. It gave me a way to reflect on whatever came to mind without taking me out of my zone. It was tough to build but I was upset it was done because that mental journey has come to it's conclusion. The Journey to the completion is just as meaningful as the completion itself. In how I see, a 2 week mental hike across the mental valleys and it makes the end of the journey you're going to sit in that spot built with some of the feeling that you had during that journey baked into the design itself. Makes spending the time working on it that much more meaningful (for me) when it is finished and I can relax in it. It's more personal and the time put in will reflect in the care.

Also don't want those Housing Uppercrust to get too big for their britches, "look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power" Yall gonna put some respect on our housing spots, built on the pillars of virtual elbow grease and determination lol

[Shistar]

It's contingent of 2 conditions are you pc? and do you use housing addons

Fair enough. But we're talking about the possibilities, and allowing tenants who can decorate your house gives you access to that which you wouldn't have if you were alone in your apartment. That is my point. You can still do tons just by upwards floating and apart from that, everyone else is equal in everything across platforms.

(This part is just a player to player comment)

I understand your point of view, but I still find the wording really strange lol I don't think people who use add-ons look down on those who don't, often times I've heard admiration from them since they obviously know the amount of effort, frustration and insane amount of time it takes to do even some simple glitches. Lining things up and avoiding clipping drives me up the wall regularly! Glitching stuff repeatedly for hours makes my hands hurt really badly, so I have to limit my housing decorating time to avoid hurting myself.
Just because some players use add-ons doesn't mean their journey is worth less than yours. You simply don't know how much time it took them, what they were thinking about or how much effort it took them to come up with their design. There are a variety of reasons for which one may choose (or refuse) to use add-ons, and I personally think that whatever brings you joy and doesn't hurt others is perfectly valid (TOS-breaking stuff aside and all that... I don't care what people are doing with their games since I can't see it anyway)

I'll never kneel and grovel before the PC Upper-crust for their help! Us NON- Addon users can make a space up there with the best of them.

[...] Housing Uppercrust [...]

That's such a strange thing to say, but more power to you if it makes you feel good about yourself! lol
No one is looking down on you for not using add-ons. If anything, when I see an impressive build and find out the creator didn't use any, it makes me even more amazed. You should be able to be proud of your work without putting other people's effort and creativity down.