Dawntrail character graphics update - opinions, requests and discussion megathread

[Astronis]

Coming into this thread under the guise of being reasonable when the majority of people still currently here who do want their characters restored, do, in fact, like the mobile graphic update, is so extremely disingenuous. Yeah, it's a long thread, but the arbitrarily "more nitpicky" ones aren't posting right now, so we can only "telepathically assume" how they feel, too, I guess.

I'll take that as a reasonable suggestion that I could have said what I said better. Which is true. I should have kept that thought to myself.

[faiarrow]

I mean I'd argue I'm one of the more nitpicky ones (I've been upset about femroe eyes since, check notes, October 2023,) but a majority of my feedback has been Japanese-side because it's allowed me to be much more direct in a field they definitely are observing given the amount of posts that get culled by mods there you don't see it. I would've been enjoying an anniversary this upcoming moonfire with Sko being around since 2015 this year but instead I'm still fighting hard to actually have my character back.

80-90% of the way as things are since 7.2 is just awful.

Mobile IS updated; it uses unreal engine for a start, it's not just a texture glow up there are new polys on the models and even corrected normal maps over what we had in 2.0-6.5 models. They have some aspects of the DT GFX update in their stylings—because the project is supervised and approved by CS3/SQEX—but for the most part they stuck to their Chinese and Japanese page only PR confirmation that character graphic accuracy was going to be a key focus bringing the game to that platform. Something they deliberately omitted from the English page about the game.

Seeing my character actually exist still in a mobile game in what I'd argue is a 99% capacity vs a 90%, 1 year after Benchmark and DT release, and OVER a year since I first pointed out the eye issue, is frustrating as hell.

[Khryseis_Astra]

Absolutely, here she is...

Thanks so much! Damn I miss those lips! lol

Not to mention that the shirt is quite literally a brand-new asset.

That’s probably the first disturbing thing I’ve seen out of mobile: why in the world would they add that collar to the female version?! I have an aversion to high collars/necklines in general!

But overall, really sad that the mobile version has more of a faithful recreation of our characters than the main game.

[Doopliss]

I don't have the energy to reply to everything but here is your friend's request. I'm not sure if the part numbers all correlate so if they want to see a different setting, just let me know.

Ohhh, interestingly it doesn't look like the options align by number 1-1 to the mainline version. That looks like the more rounded option (I'd guess Eye Option #4 in the mainline version of the game), so I should have specified that I meant the most upturned eye option.

It currently looks like this in Dawntrail (I just used the default options and removed makeup here, too):

So whichever eye option has the outer corners facing most upwards would be the match (unless that is how the eyes now look in the mobile version, which would be even more surprising than Dawntrail's version).

Thank you very much regardless, and I don't blame you if you're too tired for another screenshot as well. I appreciate the time everyone's taken out of their day to show screenshots in the first place.

That’s probably the first disturbing thing I’ve seen out of mobile: why in the world would they add that collar to the female version?! I have an aversion to high collars/necklines in general!

It actually looks like Hyuran women now have dark brown shorts that extend pretty noticeably under their race-specific miniskirt in some of the screenshots, too. While I'm not really a fan of that change, I understand why they did it. ...Covering up the neck, though, is...interesting. Don't want to scandalize the vampires?

Or, more realistically, it might have been to better balance the silhouette with the addition of shorts...

[Hatsuoki]

No worries. It looks like it might be option 3 in the mobile version. Does this look closer?

[Doopliss]

No worries. It looks like it might be option 3 in the mobile version. Does this look closer?

Yes, that looks perfect and immediately familiar! Thank you!

Aw, it does make me so sad, though... Even I miss the rounded, more alert look of this eye shape. It gave the sharpness of the eye angle a combination of cuteness that no other face really offers. The DT one is definitely a far more "sultry" look, which isn't inherently bad...but not at all what the original vibe was.

[Liamont]

Recreating my character's husband in the CC and he doesn't have the weird caveman super muscle brow that DT gave us (Urianger has this problem too because they both use the same base face; half of it is the normal map is really weird on the new morph.) The mouths being like the ARR-EW models makes the expressions a lot better.

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Oh, thank you! The expressions look better...man, I kind of hope that if there's more and more people doing comparisons between the mobile game and the actual game we have now, then SE will finally do something about addressing all the problems we've had with the new faces for a year now.

[Argantaelle]

Could anyone please recreate two of my Duskwight characters in the mobile version?

Girl:

Face 4

Jaw 1

Eye 3

Eyebrows 3

Nose 4

Mouth 2 (no lip colour)

No facial features

Hairstyle: 1 (Mother Miounne's)

Skin colour: 10:5

Hair colour: 1:3.

Eye colour: 13:5

Boy:

Face 1

Jaw 3

Eye 3

Eyebrows 1

Nose 1

Mouths 2 (no lip colour)

No facial features

Hairstyle: 1

Skin colour: 9:4

Hair colour: 1:7

Eye colour: 13:5

[Hatsuoki]

Could anyone please recreate two of my Duskwight characters in the mobile version?

Girl:

Face 4

Jaw 1

Eye 3

Eyebrows 3

Nose 4

Mouth 2 (no lip colour)

No facial features

Hairstyle: 1 (Mother Miounne's)

Skin colour: 10:5

Hair colour: 1:3.

Eye colour: 13:5

Boy:

Face 1

Jaw 3

Eye 3

Eyebrows 1

Nose 1

Mouths 2 (no lip colour)

No facial features

Hairstyle: 1

Skin colour: 9:4

Hair colour: 1:7

Eye colour: 13:5

Here are some screenshots. Though again, the part numbers don't all correlate and the color palettes are not laid out in the same way so I could only guess on them but let me know if you want to see a different setting. (Screenshots of your characters helps!)

[Argantaelle]

Thank you so much!

I see the skin and hair colours are different, but overall those faces are very close to EW ones. The mobile version preserved the mature, focused look of my female Elezen, which DT lost. The lips are large, but the height of the upper lip and the thickness of the lower lip match the EW original. The face parts are a little bit different, but still the face is much closer to what she used to have in EW.

I see Tencent doesn't mind when its male characters apply lip gloss. The bone structure is very close to the EW face; the same can be said about the eyes, the eye bags and the eyebrows. The lips are different, but at least they were trying.

I have only one picture of my male Elezen alt from the Shadowbringers era (I rarely take pictures and I'm not a huge fan of g-posing, unfortunately).