Forked Tower: Blood Needs A Normal Mode

[RuriStone]

It's mainly that if someone isn't a casual player, then you have to ask what they spend the entire year doing in the game. For many that's just collecting achievements or mounts.

They react to reports. It's really that simple. They don't patrol around the streets like a police officer. If nobody reports it, it does not get actioned.
My answer stems from seeing multiple translations and also interacting with them a lot on the cloud test DC. I made a JP friend there for a few days and we talked via translation. I've also had to convert things to Japanese in a server I'm in and I had to do a lot of research to understand their terminology, including reviewing numerous news articles that discuss the culture and drama in the game, and every time you realize that they're not so different over there.
No, what I think has happened is they:

• View casual content as spending a few minutes clicking mammets or doing a beast tribe quest.
• View midcore content, which we can define as spending more than 5-12 minutes playing, as Extreme, Savage, Chaotic, etc.

Why do I have to ask what they're spending time on for a year? I don't know what your point is...I was just wondering if you felt they should be called achievement hunters not raiders but you were the one who brought it up not me. I'm happy calling them raiders it fits fine.

With regards to GMs well then the community do need to start reporting people more.

You have a relatively small amount of experience talking with Japanese people who more than likely do not represent the entire Japanese ff14 community it's not enough to change my mind but in your experience ok we're not so different. From my own personal experience of the West and it's community, from what i've read, watched and spoken to with people about Japan over the years I still suspect we are very different. Also I took an english lit evening course a long time ago with a guy who'd travelled from Japan to study we became friends he was very polite, friendly, caring and empathetic I doubt it's going to change your mind but mentioning it anyway to make a point XD

Making OC casual up till you reach Forked tower was either something they did which was just really strange or people are greatly overexaggerating FTS difficulty in order to get people into their discords which are probably dying down a lot after the disappointment in Dawntrail and how they are continuing to fail at putting content in the game that casual players actually enjoy not what they think casual players should enjoy. There is definitely some confusion going on somewhere or they're killing the game off on purpose like maybe they just don't care, maybe they have more important projects to work on atm. Either way they'll care when the money starts dropping.

[Daralii]

There is definitely some confusion going on somewhere or they're killing the game off on purpose like maybe they just don't care, maybe they have more important projects to work on atm. Either way they'll care when the money starts dropping.

They're working on an unnamed title that Sakaguchi's involved with and a Tactics remake, possibly one more. The CEO commented on XIV's population declining and basically said that everything is fine and Yoshida's experience with these completely unrelated games will loop back around to everything being fixed and everyone coming back.

[RuriStone]

They're working on an unnamed title that Sakaguchi's involved with and a Tactics remake, possibly one more. The CEO commented on XIV's population declining and basically said that everything is fine and Yoshida's experience with these completely unrelated games will loop back around to everything being fixed and everyone coming back.

Fair enough, good time to stop paying for the sub then. I might come back when/if there's something interesting going on content wise and they end wuks storyline.

[Jeeqbit]

Why do I have to ask what they're spending time on for a year?

Because if they're not playing for a year then arguably they are a casual player. In order to be something other than a casual player, they'd need something that is drawing their attention in the game each day for a year. Thus, I gave examples of what those things might be.

And it's rarely raids, although arguably they've been ramping up raid production in the last two expansions so you could make an argument based purely on that being a higher % of the overall content.

With regards to GMs well then the community do need to start reporting people more.

Everyone passes the responsibility around. "Others should report" rather than doing it themselves. The reality is that if players don't care, then it's not a problem. For example, if someone swears and all 8 people in the party don't care, then it's fine. Why action something if nobody is hurt/affected by it? But if 1 person in the party reports it, then obviously they cared or took offense, and so a GM would action it.

Essentially, things that go unreported aren't an issue because if the player cared enough, they'd take the time to file a report. And that's how the GMs view it too - you can see this clearly when you read the examples in the rules.

Making OC casual up till you reach Forked tower was either something they did which was just really strange or people are greatly overexaggerating FTS difficulty

I don't think it's that difficult. As I've said, it has actual telegraphs that you wouldn't get in Savage and half the time wouldn't get in Extremes either. The issue is the coordination and entry. If they'd made the simple changes to the coordination and entry that I mentioned earlier, I actually think it'd have ended up like Delubrum Reginae normal, which actually has a lot of tough mechanics and had things like hot and cold, yet people got through all of it casually. It may have been a different story had they put limited rez on DR normal, because people died A LOT, sometimes most of the raid.

There is definitely some confusion going on somewhere or they're killing the game off on purpose like maybe they just don't care, maybe they have more important projects to work on atm. Either way they'll care when the money starts dropping.

It's just confusion and decisions. They are actually trying their best. Got to remember many of them are developers that worked on FF11 as well. FF MMOs have been their life's work; of course they love it. Even Yoshi-P who was only working on FF14 has now spent 15 years on it and plans to spend at least 8 more. One of the things they love more than anything is meeting players in real life, which is why they were so determined to get FanFest running again and attend lots of gaming conventions, which has been happening a lot lately to make up for covid. How about all those concerts they put on? There's clearly passion there.

I think the issues are just:

• articulating player feedback from a very fractured and noisy and diametrically opposed playerbase
• managing (they focus mostly on new content and ignore old systems and procedures seem to exacerbate this remaining so)
• developing (because while I sometimes say things are easy, if you ask someone to do 200 easy tasks it's quite a lot to get through overall in a workday and having a family to look after later on)

[RuriStone]

Because if they're not playing for a year then arguably they are a casual player. In order to be something other than a casual player, they'd need something that is drawing their attention in the game each day for a year. Thus, I gave examples of what those things might be.
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So you're saying...I'm wrong to call them raiders when I should call them casual players? And you base that on how much they play. So you think casual players are the ones being rude and excluding other casuals from the FT raid and you're saying raiders have nothing to do with it.

this seems to be something you cooked up in your own head though because from all the other conversations going on in the forums it's already been widely accepted even by the two groups who were discussing that it's a casual Vs raider thing ... achievement hunters weren't mentioned because nobody cares.

[Jeeqbit]

So you're saying...I'm wrong to call them raiders when I should call them casual players?

You can call them raiders if you want.

What I was saying was that creating this mythical faction which just-so-happen to also be called "raiders" who gatekeep "casuals" with discord is a problem, when many of those "raiders" are casuals. For the most part, you seemed to agree that "raiders" are pretty much just normal players that mess up mechanics, so I was really just pointing out that's because they are all the same and nobody is gatekeeping since you had brought up gatekeeping.

And you base that on how much they play.

Casual by definition would mean taking breaks or not being sweaty and playing all day, so yes. So I thought for a moment, who do I know that plays the game all year round without cease? And mostly that is the collector/achievement hunter types, maybe some RPers too, not most raiders particularly. So the entire narrative that raiders gatekeep is some wild assumption that people make.

So you think casual players are the ones being rude and excluding other casuals from the FT raid and you're saying raiders have nothing to do with it.

Exactly. Plenty of the people being rude about it probably just resubbed/logged in for the patch themselves, and don't necessarily represent the leadership of a discord particularly. And just like you said, everyone messes up mechanics, even the ones you think are these "raiders", so whatever big words they're using they probably have got killed by mechanics as well.

I read after all the chaos went down in the other thread, Rinon's group still wiped later on because it was a prog group and wiping was expected. They were there to practice and learn together. Quite the opposite of demanding eachother know all the mechanics.

this seems to be something you cooked up in your own head though because from all the other conversations going on in the forums

Partially because it's going on in other conversations, yes, but you specifically brought up gatekeeping so that's why I brought it into the conversation.

it's already been widely accepted even by the two groups who were discussing that it's a casual Vs raider thing

It's not widely accepted at all. That's my point. They're all just casuals getting together on discord to clear the raid together. If any of them aren't "casual", they're probably "achievement hunters" rather than "raiders" and as we've discussed, aren't necessarily any better at mechanics or superior or anything like that.

The idea that they are somehow "better" than casuals or "gatekeep" them is just made up in people's heads.

[RuriStone]

You can call them raiders if you want.

The idea that they are somehow "better" than casuals or "gatekeep" them is just made up in people's heads.

Well originally I did call them raiders but you seemed to have a problem with it and started mansplaining definitions to me lol. When I tried to get clarification you didn't answer clearly.

You're taking my quotes out of context and dispersing the point to create a mental haze because you know you've not got an argument, each of the points that you've made wouldn't hold traction if you didn't.