Difficult experience in Forked Tower – a reminder to respect public content

[0blivion]

From my experience, the discords I'm in don't announce it in shout-chat because it attracts even more snipers. But typically, we do the usual script of "hey can you please step off we're premade also here's a discord link" in /yell at the platform itself.

[Willothewisps]

We saw the stream VOD, we know you joined the run on purpose and that you were fully aware that it was Rinon's group again. We also know you're planning to do it again. Stop the weird lying and dramamongering.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2492919274?t=03h13m24s

Absolutely shameless behaviour from them.

[Lozy]

There's no guarantee anyone will raise you if you die in Forked Tower. By joining solo instead of with a proper premade group, you kinda sealed your fate. You're expected to execute mechanics properly.

Looking at the VOD posted above, you failed to execute the Hot and Cold mechanics on the 2nd boss and died from the mechanic check raidwide.

There is no reason for pre-made group to raise you for the following reasons:
1. You become a burden and can easily wipe them on later mechanics. (The group almost wiped on First boss cause meteors baits were abysmal)
2. Bosses are scaled - less people = less HP on following bosses (scaled content yippie)
3. Raises are restricted requiring the use of Chemist raise (If you want to flame chemists for not raising you be my guess )

Point 1 alone makes it not worth raising players new to the tower. It takes forever to get into tower and organizing 48 people into the same instance - we spend 1-2 hours just to achieve this on a good day.

Obviously killing people/swearing at people is a no-go and shouldn't be done by any premade group. Asking politely not to snipe is totally fine though, and if someone doesn't respect that, it's also okay but they should know they're on their own.

Before anyone mentions ToS - yes, hateful/disrespectful speech is against ToS, but I'd recommend checking policies about obstruction of play, before being keyboard warrior.

[Aviatorhead]

The fact that any of this is an issue at all is miserable. Why would they design content like this. The only reason I can find from yoship was when he said the last thing like this had 'too much support'. What? Too many people liked it? So we have to make the new one miserable? Not even in a Hardcore players will like this way but with stupid over the top penalties for messing up that waste everyones time.

Is the threat of having to wait 30-40 minutes for your next pull engaging to anyone? How about being wiped, or being able to wipe, 40+ people because of 1 mistake?

I don't think anyone wants content like this tbh but I'm not the community so maybe I'm wrong. Maybe yall enjoy spending your time like this. But I am personally livid that they decided they would make the content 'harder' by just making it annoying and as anti-learning as possible.

[Kasumii]

There's no guarantee anyone will raise you if you die in Forked Tower. By joining solo instead of with a proper premade group, you kinda sealed your fate. You're expected to execute mechanics properly.

Looking at the VOD posted above, you failed to execute the Hot and Cold mechanics on the 2nd boss and died from the mechanic check raidwide.

There is no reason for pre-made group to raise you for the following reasons:
1. You become a burden and can easily wipe them on later mechanics. (The group almost wiped on First boss cause meteors baits were abysmal)
2. Bosses are scaled - less people = less HP on following bosses (scaled content yippie)
3. Raises are restricted requiring the use of Chemist raise (If you want to flame chemists for not raising you be my guess )

Point 1 alone makes it not worth raising players new to the tower. It takes forever to get into tower and organizing 48 people into the same instance - we spend 1-2 hours just to achieve this on a good day.

Obviously killing people/swearing at people is a no-go and shouldn't be done by any premade group. Asking politely not to snipe is totally fine though, and if someone doesn't respect that, it's also okay but they should know they're on their own.

Before anyone mentions ToS - yes, hateful/disrespectful speech is against ToS, but I'd recommend checking policies about obstruction of play, before being keyboard warrior.

Cool, lets go down that list as a ToS enjoyer.

1. If they do not maliciously do anything then you're out of luck (that goes for your snarky comment regarding obstruction of play. Obstruction of play is not reviving someone maliciously for example, not being a bad player/doing a mechanic wrong)
2. So I guess you also intentionally kill and refuse to rez people in your premades then? I mean if they are not up to the golden standard then by your logic theyre a burden on the group. Goes back to my post about how some people really just want to have a reason to harass others.
3. Your chemist has unlimited raises, they can still rez after the boss is defeated. If the bad sniper dies two more times you're rid of them anyways. But not reviving them out of pure malice or because you view them as a "hindrance" (funny how I mentioned that a few posts back huh) is against ToS.

I know you disagree with me. And I disagree with you too. I am very glad you agree that the hate and harassment goes too far and is against ToS though

[YovelaLindswood]

Cool, lets go down that list as a ToS enjoyer.

1. If they do not maliciously do anything then you're out of luck (that goes for your snarky comment regarding obstruction of play. Obstruction of play is not reviving someone maliciously for example, not being a bad player/doing a mechanic wrong)
2. So I guess you also intentionally kill and refuse to rez people in your premades then? I mean if they are not up to the golden standard then by your logic theyre a burden on the group. Goes back to my post about how some people really just want to have a reason to harass others.
3. Your chemist has unlimited raises, they can still rez after the boss is defeated. If the bad sniper dies two more times you're rid of them anyways. But not reviving them out of pure malice or because you view them as a "hindrance" (funny how I mentioned that a few posts back huh) is against ToS.

I know you disagree with me. And I disagree with you too. I am very glad you agree that the hate and harassment goes too far and is against ToS though

Ok but hear me out. Why should the group risk the limited raises of their members for a random who clearly doesn't understand the fights?

[Lozy]

Cool, lets go down that list as a ToS enjoyer.

1. If they do not maliciously do anything then you're out of luck (that goes for your snarky comment regarding obstruction of play. Obstruction of play is not reviving someone maliciously for example, not being a bad player/doing a mechanic wrong)
2. So I guess you also intentionally kill and refuse to rez people in your premades then? I mean if they are not up to the golden standard then by your logic theyre a burden on the group. Goes back to my post about how some people really just want to have a reason to harass others.
3. Your chemist has unlimited raises, they can still rez after the boss is defeated. If the bad sniper dies two more times you're rid of them anyways. But not reviving them out of pure malice or because you view them as a "hindrance" (funny how I mentioned that a few posts back huh) is against ToS.

I know you disagree with me. And I disagree with you too. I am very glad you agree that the hate and harassment goes too far and is against ToS though

1.Okay where? Where it says you have to raise someone that isn't in your group/party
2. I don't think you understand the point, in premade group you have full control over what's going on the group, There is raid leader and someone that gives callouts for the raid, each party of 8 man have party leader that make sure everyone understand their positions and raid plans for everything, it's not bullet proof of course, but if random go step on raidwide trap near the group we are all dead, if someone baits the cleave wrong way in 3rd boss -> dead, if meteors are placed in the wrong side -> mostly likely dead, dps/healer stands incorrectly during meteor tower -> dead, there are many factors that random player can cause a wipe to the raid, Also I never even mentioned anything about "intentionally killing" in my post, if anything i pointed out that the thread poster didn't even die to tank buster, he straight up died for failing hot/cold. but if we bring this up yes intentionally killing someone is against ToS as part of "Obstructing Gameplay Using Combat"
3. They can, but it's not about the can or cannot, it's about if they want to, they are not obligated to raise anyone that isn't part of their party/group it just the way it is, tbf groups can just run 0 chemist runs , then there is nothing to complain about right?

[Kasumii]

Ok but hear me out. Why should the group risk the limited raises of their members for a random who clearly doesn't understand the fights?

can still rez after the boss is defeated.

By your logic we shouldn't rez anyone in FT because if they're dead they clearly got a mechanic wrong and are a danger and a threat to the group and their limited raises.

Clearly if someone in your pre-made dies then it's also because they do not understand the fight so that makes it okay to leave them dead on the floor too? Surely you agree with me?

[Kasumii]

1.Okay where? Where it says you have to raise someone that isn't in your group/party
2. I don't think you understand the point, in premade group you have full control over what's going on the group, There is raid leader and someone that gives callouts for the raid, each party of 8 man have party leader that make sure everyone understand their positions and raid plans for everything, it's not bullet proof of course, but if random go step on raidwide trap near the group we are all dead, if someone baits the cleave wrong way in 3rd boss -> dead, if meteors are placed in the wrong side -> mostly likely dead, dps/healer stands incorrectly during meteor tower -> dead, there are many factors that random player can cause a wipe to the raid, Also I never even mentioned anything about "intentionally killing" in my post, if anything i pointed out that the thread poster didn't even die to tank buster, he straight up died for failing hot/cold. but if we bring this up yes intentionally killing someone is against ToS as part of "Obstructing Gameplay Using Combat"
3. They can, but it's not about the can or cannot, it's about if they want to, they are not obligated to raise anyone that isn't part of their party/group it just the way it is, tbf groups can just run 0 chemist runs , then there is nothing to complain about right?

1. Mhm you and yours have brought up your golden goose of "tee hee theyre not in my party so I can grief and harass them hehe" excuse a lot and constantly miss the point that it is done out of malice If I kindly ask someone for a rez during a hunt train (which you and yours love to bring up as a point) and they tell me to my face "lolno" then I will report them regardless of if they are in my group or not because they clearly can do it and just refuse to do so. Its so fascinating how quickly you and yours latched onto that little "group/party" note when you can also broadly describe everyone doing FT as a "group". They even get the special purple markers in OC if you check out the players tab.

2. I am just holding you to your standard. Why is it okay for you and yours to make mistakes but not the random? And read the ToS again please, I know youre really happy you found your way out with the group/party "loophole" but it is always the question of if it was done maliciously or not. Not doing a mechanic correctly is not against ToS and is not obstruction of gameplay, its a different case if it was done on purpose.

3. Yep! Fully agree on that one If there is nobody able to rez then you also cant complain about not being rezzed.


again, as I said. You dont agree with me and I wont agree with you and further discussing this is pointless. Have a good day

[Aravell]

Both sides just have irreconcilable views at this point.

One side just wants to progress and clear at a steady pace, so they seek out like-minded folks with similar progpoints so they can all go in together and get some good progression in, they would rather random players of unknown progpoint not make their life harder by joining a run that they may not be suited for (fresh prog random vs boss 3 prog group, for example). It's logical to reduce the chances of failure to progress as much as possible by removing as many unknowns as possible.

The other side sees FT as fully public content and they want to enter whenever they want with whoever is at the pavillion at the time and they expect to always be treated as part of the group when they enter, no matter what the situation.

While neither side is strictly fully in the wrong, both viewpoints are also directly opposed and neither side will ever agree with the other.