Difficult experience in Forked Tower – a reminder to respect public content

[Neclord]

You got to love how welcoming this community is, first time i try to get into Forked Tower and from the start i get singled out with an emote which as i learned later was not for "coordination" but to mark ma as a "Do not revive" player.
My first message asking for a revive was when ~10 ppl were on the ground, all of them got revived but not me.
As for the second message concerning the toxicity, it was sent after everyone else took the teleport to the next area making impossible to revive me since i assume you can't teleport back.
Then i get accused of "sniping" someone during the pride month.. Why bring up the pride month other than play the victim when you are not ?
Thanks to this post i learned what "sniper" meant in FFXIV, so let me get this straight, we all pay for the game (subscription and all), we farm in Occult Crescent to reach lvl 20 and access the raid, but somehow you have to be in a certain Discord to have a right to play without being griefed ?
No matter how you look at it, not reveving someone in this raid is griefing since you make them lose 30k exp and a level, this kind of behaviour is against ToS so how can some people still defend it ?

For full context, OP and this person are now targeting organised runs in a group of 5 (increasing the likelihood fivefold that shotcallers and organisers lose out on a spot - which yes, completely dooms the run).

[Fawkes]

For full context, OP and this person are now targeting organised runs in a group of 5 (increasing the likelihood fivefold that shotcallers and organisers lose out on a spot - which yes, completely dooms the run).

Just as SE intended.

[Chasingstars]

For full context, OP and this person are now targeting organised runs in a group of 5 (increasing the likelihood fivefold that shotcallers and organisers lose out on a spot - which yes, completely dooms the run).

Sounds like the discord group FA and is now in the FO stage. Like creating random and frankly entitled animosity towards other players for the act of "sniping" is just going to create friction and make people despise organized groups more.

Also maybe the discord group shouldn't be running with a full group of 48 if they are worried about losing their spots. Like why not 45? Maybe 40 even. As the realistic minimum is 24 for literally towers. Have some flex spots if your going to have organized runs. Even BA runs have flex spots.

[Neclord]

Sounds like the discord group FA and is now in the FO stage. Like creating random and frankly entitled animosity towards other players for the act of "sniping" is just going to create friction and make people despise organized groups more.

Also maybe the discord group shouldn't be running with a full group of 48 if they are worried about losing their spots. Like why not 45? Maybe 40 even. As the realistic minimum is 24 for literally towers. Have some flex spots if your going to have organized runs. Even BA runs have flex spots.

I think you don't seem to appreciate how high the demand is for prog/first clear runs. These runs fill very quickly and the subcommunities have all grown substantially over the past week - entirely through word of mouth.

I personally think objecting to targeted behaviour like this is entirely reasonable, and not entitled. In almost every case I've witnessed, a normal player has recognised that jumping into the run can and will disrupt the goal of the group that's there, have asked how they could join these runs in future, and have been invited to the subcommunities. I imagine if they decided to go in anyway, ragebait, and then smear us on an internet forum, we would not have had as pleasant of an exchange with them. Thankfully, these players were sociable, understanding, and joined us on future runs.

[Mawlzy]

I think you don't seem to appreciate how high the demand is for prog/first clear runs. These runs fill very quickly and the subcommunities have all grown substantially over the past week - entirely through word of mouth.

I personally think objecting to targeted behaviour like this is entirely reasonable, and not entitled. In almost every case I've witnessed, a normal player has recognised that jumping into the run can and will disrupt the goal of the group that's there, have asked how they could join these runs in future, and have been invited to the subcommunities. I imagine if they decided to go in anyway, ragebait, and then smear us on an internet forum, we would not have had as pleasant of an exchange with them. Thankfully, these players were sociable, understanding, and joined us on future runs.

So provided the Plebs bend the knee, they will be tolerated?

[Neclord]

So provided the Plebs bend the knee, they will be tolerated?

I think we just have a difference of perspective here. As a reasonably social person, I have no qualms joining subcommunities in a multiplayer game and collaborating with people (they don't bite) to clear something. If you see that as a bending of the knee rather than just a normal process when something requires real collaboration, I can only hope that your perspective on community changes as you go about your life. It would certainly benefit you in the long run.

[0blivion]

I think we just have a difference of perspective here. As a reasonably social person, I have no qualms joining subcommunities in a multiplayer game and collaborating with people (they don't bite) to clear something. If you see that as a bending of the knee rather than just a normal process when something requires real collaboration, I can only hope that your perspective on community changes as you go about your life. It would certainly benefit you in the long run.

Cannot upvote this enough. It's like, you shouldn't do everything just because you can, you know? If I were to intrude on a soccer game on a public soccer court, I'd still be the asshole, and that is literally that the snipers are doing. The most recent one did write about how they never got a discord invite - that's because they already sniped, and by doing so have lost the right to any goodwill from other players.

e/: All the sniping leeches are free to try and make their own run with snipers only. You will prog like everyone else on the (very much public) discords did, and you will fail miserably because you never felt the need to organize since you could leech off of players who actually put in the effort. I don't care if we pay the same sub, 48 people's needs do indeed trump yours when you can literally join a discord.

[Mawlzy]

I think we just have a difference of perspective here. As a reasonably social person, I have no qualms joining subcommunities in a multiplayer game and collaborating with people (they don't bite) to clear something. If you see that as a bending of the knee rather than just a normal process when something requires real collaboration, I can only hope that your perspective on community changes as you go about your life. It would certainly benefit you in the long run.

Perception is central to this, yes.

The issue, however, is the ability of many Discord groups to understand how their words and actions impact how they are perceived.

To give a topical example, the arrogance and gall of anyone would would tell someone that they need to change their view of community to lead a better life is... I mean, you may not understand why you're perceived as hate-filled, self-obsessed elitists, but I certainly can.

[Neclord]

Perception is central to this, yes.

The issue, however, is the ability of many Discord groups to understand how their words and actions impact how they are perceived.

To give a topical example, the arrogance and gall of anyone would would tell someone that they need to change their view of community to lead a better life is... I mean, you may not understand why you're perceived as hate-filled, self-obsessed elitists, but I certainly can.

I'm not telling you to change anything or that you need to change anything. I get that it's more convenient to reply to an arrogant statement, but in order to engage in a conversation with me you actually have to respond to the words I'm actually saying.

[Chasingstars]

I think you don't seem to appreciate how high the demand is for prog/first clear runs. These runs fill very quickly and the subcommunities have all grown substantially over the past week - entirely through word of mouth.

I personally think objecting to targeted behaviour like this is entirely reasonable, and not entitled. In almost every case I've witnessed, a normal player has recognized that jumping into the run can and will disrupt the goal of the group that's there, have asked how they could join these runs in future, and have been invited to the subcommunities. I imagine if they decided to go in anyway, ragebait, and then smear us on an internet forum, we would not have had as pleasant of an exchange with them. Thankfully, these players were sociable, understanding, and joined us on future runs.

You and I both know the content is fresh, its not BA that is now ancient and less people do eureka overall. The iron is hot in terms of content and people are trying to do that content. Running with a full group of 48 and then getting "sniped" is self-inflicted.