Difficult experience in Forked Tower – a reminder to respect public content

[BigCheez]

You got to love how welcoming this community is, first time i try to get into Forked Tower and from the start i get singled out with an emote which as i learned later was not for "coordination" but to mark ma as a "Do not revive" player.
My first message asking for a revive was when ~10 ppl were on the ground, all of them got revived but not me.
As for the second message concerning the toxicity, it was sent after everyone else took the teleport to the next area making impossible to revive me since i assume you can't teleport back.
Then i get accused of "sniping" someone during the pride month.. Why bring up the pride month other than play the victim when you are not ?
Thanks to this post i learned what "sniper" meant in FFXIV, so let me get this straight, we all pay for the game (subscription and all), we farm in Occult Crescent to reach lvl 20 and access the raid, but somehow you have to be in a certain Discord to have a right to play without being griefed ?
No matter how you look at it, not reveving someone in this raid is griefing since you make them lose 30k exp and a level, this kind of behaviour is against ToS so how can some people still defend it ?

And you can't just join a Discord to run the content like everyone else because... ?

[Kaurhz]

And you can't just join a Discord to run the content like everyone else because... ?

To be honest,

They really shouldn't be putting content like this in a public space in the first place, because you'll always have those that are just genuinely not as clued in as others as to how certain communities function, or why they function for that matter, so in a good chunk of instances people are ascribing malice when there is actually none going on.

Have had this happen a couple of times when helping friends progress.

Like, this should have been a separate duty just how Delubrum was a separate duty... Not sure what insanity was going on, but this is entirely on the devs tbh.

[Novarius]

From my own personal experience, I have found collaborating with Discords running Forked Tower content a very pleasant experience overall. I’ve mainly stuck to Savage and Ultimate statics before and not really engaged with the BA/DRS discords, but I’m glad I did it’s made the process of organising getting into the content much simpler…

With regards to randoms who “snipe” a spot I sympathise with your situation, most of you are not doing this maliciously but you stowing away on an organised run potentially has several negative consequences:

1) You take the place of a team member who was on a vital Phantom Job (particularly if the team was running 1 Berserker or Oracle) which may mean the run is unwinnable unless people can flex or there are backups of that job.

2) You unintentionally prog lie by joining a run where they have progged far beyond you prog point, you had no way of knowing but essentially as one person can wipe the whole raid from doing some mechanics incorrectly you could be a ticking time bomb waiting to go off if you don’t know the mechanics and how to deal with them. I’m a seasoned veteran when it comes to high-end content and even I wouldn’t be ballsy enough to gatecrash a raid that is this punishing and requires intense co-ordination especially if I was fresh to the content/progging from the start.

It must feel awful to be left on the floor, but you can’t necessarily blame the 47 people, if you don’t know the content they could be shouldering an unnecessary burden of risk if they rez you and keep you in the mix, so I understand the reasoning behind it… if you should be angry at anyone it should be SE, they’re the reason that this content has created such a community divide and hostility.

[Gurgeh]

And you can't just join a Discord to run the content like everyone else because... ?

(Some people make it so damn hard not to be rude. How do you describe someone who needs it explaining even when it literally comes with a picture.)

Because the discord is likely to want you to get on voice.
Worse yet, with a bunch of really unpleasant strangers like that.
It's no so bad if you can keep them at arms length over a chat dialogue.
And that's before you get into all the logging BS you get with discords.

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SE should have made it so that the instance scales to the number if people who join at first boss. Then doesn't rescale again.
Every player you lose, fail to take with you, is a debuff.

XIV used to be good at fostering food player behaviour.
It's just hopeless at it now.

It's going to be amusing watching the content creators if there is a chilling effect on new high end content now.
They had a chance to set an example and make it work. Their cronies would have listened if they'd said "you make the best of it, you play with everyone in the instance, it's meant to be a gradual process as the player base improves.
You don't intimidate them into not playing.
you don't refuse to heal people.
You don't refuse to raise them.
You don't be a cock.
The majority of the creators that remain are just useless as ambassadors and rolemodels for XIV. All they know how to do is paint people with derogatory terms like progliar, and sniper, and incite people to look after themselves and set up tribes and F (insert needles derogatory term for someone just trying to play the game) over.
Yoshi was so lucky to have Zepla.